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attaboy2005
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11/19/2005  5:53 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by attaboy2005:
Posted by BRIGGS:

they have the matching salaries with matching neccessities


Salaries: Marbury: 16,453,125, 18,281,250, 20,109,375, 21,937,500

Bibby: 11,500,000, 12,500,000, 13,500,000, 14, 500,000

Briggs, those are hardly matching salaries, the only thing similar are the yrs, and they are two different PG's, granted Biby would work better in LB's system!.



they have throw ins we would have to take to level the salry back and forth.

No Kidding!. But that's not what you presented or made clear in your initial post, that's all I'm getting at.
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11/19/2005  5:54 PM
Posted by attaboy2005:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Sacramento is not trading us Bibby and Peja for Marbury and Q... theres just no chance in hell.


How do you know that, this is not an out of the question trade, Peja shown disappointment in the King's in the past, Q is not flourishing in NY, and Marbury would be better off in Sactown, and Bibby would be better in LB's system, and I threw Williamson since he has one yr, on his contract.

Besides this was one trade scenario, their are others that could include other players but I chose Q because he has something offer the King's rather than give them one of the kids.

The only way the Knicks get Bibby and Peja in ANY trade is if the Knicks trade Marbury, Frye and Lee. Not to mention the draft picks that would have to be included.

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11/19/2005  6:00 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by attaboy2005:


New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
21.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 8.2 apg in 40.0 minutes

Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
14.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes
Incoming

Mike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
19.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.5 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +13.9 ppg, +3.1 rpg, and -0.4 apg.
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Mike Bibby
6-1 PG from Arizona
19.6 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.5 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Incoming

Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
21.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 8.2 apg in 40.0 minutes

Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
14.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -13.9 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and +0.4 apg.


Sac-town isn't trading both Peja and Bibby man...get with the program.

If you have a better idea for a trade then post it, instead of putting down some elses idea, or is that what you like do?.

[Edited by - attaboy2005 on 11-19-2005 6:12 PM]

[Edited by - attaboy2005 on 11-19-2005 7:37 PM]
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11/19/2005  6:13 PM
Thanks Attaboy....

Thanks for clarifying that for me.





[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-19-2005 6:13 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/19/2005  6:26 PM
Well, since we're on the subject...

New York Trades

Marbury

New York Receives

Bibby
Watson



Sacramento Trades

Bibby
Williamson

Sacramento Receives

Marbury


Denver Trades

Watson

Denver Receives

Williamson
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/19/2005  6:30 PM
so far out of all the marbury trade proposals ive read the one that someone posted about him and barnes going to atlanta for al harrington, tony delk, and josh childress, is the most realistic. I dont see too many other teams that have the salary flexibilty, and desperation necessary to pick up marbury.

[Edited by - slimpack on 11-19-2005 6:33 PM]
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11/19/2005  7:19 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

bibby's contract is much smaller, and he's younger.......

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-19-2005 5:50 PM]
Bibby's a whole 9 months younger
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11/19/2005  7:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

im not advocating any trade, im just pointing out potential Marbury markets where we get serious value back. I dont know what they want to do with Marbury, I would personally put him at 2G right now and appease him.
Larry's right; we can't do that because we have no other PGs on the team
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11/19/2005  7:32 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

im not advocating any trade, im just pointing out potential Marbury markets where we get serious value back. I dont know what they want to do with Marbury, I would personally put him at 2G right now and appease him.
Larry's right; we can't do that because we have no other PGs on the team

Crawford is an ok point. now that I think about it some more, I think larry really is trying to get marbs traded. becuase there was a game where marbury was the shooting guard and crawford was the pg and the knicks did pretty well. so why not do it again more consistently? obviously it makes more sense to do that then to engage in the slow, win sacrificing, process of trying to turn marbury into a pg and benching him in the 4th quarter becuase he isnt a good enough pg. if larry trusts nate at the pg spot in the 4th quarter last night with craw at the sg, then why not put nate, or craw,, at pg to put marbury at sg? there are no better pgs isnt a convincing excuse, not play marbs at sg.





[Edited by - slimpack on 11-19-2005 7:40 PM]
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11/19/2005  7:54 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

im not advocating any trade, im just pointing out potential Marbury markets where we get serious value back. I dont know what they want to do with Marbury, I would personally put him at 2G right now and appease him.

lb will not cater to steph. this is a war of wills, it's lb's way or the highway. and he shouldn't b/c the team will be better off in the long run.
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11/19/2005  8:02 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Well, since we're on the subject...

New York Trades

Marbury

New York Receives

Bibby
Watson



Sacramento Trades

Bibby
Williamson

Sacramento Receives

Marbury


Denver Trades

Watson

Denver Receives

Williamson

Not bad!
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11/19/2005  8:27 PM
Posted by SlimPack:

there was a game where marbury was the shooting guard and crawford was the pg and the knicks did pretty well. so why not do it again more consistently?

Exactly. That was the GS game last week. The entire first half, Marbs played SG and Crawford the point. The offense was flowing like butta.

I've been mentioning that game ever since as a reason why Marbs needs to just do his thing at SG.

But of course, as some of you have pointed out, LB knows what we need in the long run, and while Marbs at SG will make things much more convenient now, it probly will hurt us in the future...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/19/2005  8:38 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Bibby's a whole 9 months younger


True, he's only about a year younger, but alot less mileage...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/19/2005  8:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

im not advocating any trade, im just pointing out potential Marbury markets where we get serious value back. I dont know what they want to do with Marbury, I would personally put him at 2G right now and appease him.

lb will not cater to steph. this is a war of wills, it's lb's way or the highway. and he shouldn't b/c the team will be better off in the long run.
DJ you seem to think Marbury is the guy with the problem but Brown has significant issues as well. The man was forced out of a team that went to the finals. Brown better be careful that he isn't out of NY quicker than he arrived. Brown advocated for AD to stay on this team, tell me how the Brown "guy" is doing.


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11/19/2005  8:46 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

DJ you seem to think Marbury is the guy with the problem but Brown has significant issues as well. The man was forced out of a team that went to the finals.

Well his track record would suggest otherwise. And that whole Detroit thing has more to do with LB's desire (or lack thereof) to hang around too long. Had nothing to do with his abilities as a coach.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/19/2005  8:47 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

im not advocating any trade, im just pointing out potential Marbury markets where we get serious value back. I dont know what they want to do with Marbury, I would personally put him at 2G right now and appease him.

lb will not cater to steph. this is a war of wills, it's lb's way or the highway. and he shouldn't b/c the team will be better off in the long run.
DJ you seem to think Marbury is the guy with the problem but Brown has significant issues as well. The man was forced out of a team that went to the finals. Brown better be careful that he isn't out of NY quicker than he arrived. Brown advocated for AD to stay on this team, tell me how the Brown "guy" is doing.


isiah would get fired before LB. it's ok, we all criticize but how can you doubt lb and the way he handles things? seriously, it's been 9 games.
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11/19/2005  11:22 PM
Marbury, Q, and Jerome, for Bibby, Bonzi, Corliss, and a #1...it works.

Curry/AD
Channing/Corliss/Butler
Bonzi/Ariza/Lee
Crawford/Bonzi
Bibby/Nate/a vet LB likes.
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11/19/2005  11:24 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Marbury, Q, and Jerome, for Bibby, Bonzi, Corliss, and a #1...it works.


No way Petrie agrees to take on James' contract.

Bonzi's playing well for them, so why would they deal him?

And even though I came up with the trade, I'm not so sure Sac would trade Bibby for Marbury...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/20/2005  12:33 AM
I'd take Bibby for Marbs in a Heart-Beat. Marbs may be more talented - but Bibby has taken teams further, has shown some game in the clutch and I think is a hell of a lot more coachable.
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11/20/2005  1:41 AM
Posted by OldFan:

I'd take Bibby for Marbs in a Heart-Beat. Marbs may be more talented - but Bibby has taken teams further, has shown some game in the clutch and I think is a hell of a lot more coachable.



Its really the only legit option that i saw. atlanta isnt going to destory their salary structrure or start giving up 21 YOs for Stephon. Because stephon takes up 1/3 of the cap, teams will stay clear, unless they had contracts that matched or exceeded the $$$ and it made sense for them--dumping bibby and kenny thomas would save them net $$$

the best bet is to let steph go to the 2G and let him play more free flow and see if we can move a Q-Rich for a Watson or something like that. I think Larry could live with Watson, but we'd be awful small


who knows, just get the ball to channing:>)
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