Posted by Knicksfan:

You called it, Briggs! He got 18 shots and made half for a Knick game high 21 pts. The kid is definitely a strong scoring option for us, and even with limited time he could be our 2nd best scoring option right now. Wow he is just amazing! I love him! He may not start, but he has to keep playing a lot and shooting a lot.

You called it and he answered..

I didnt call anything. I know Channing Frye's game is based on his superior offensive skills. He has the ability to shoot +50% and the length both in size and range to get his shot off anywhere. It's simple math, he needs to get 15-18 shots EVERY game--if he does, he will be a 20+ scorer and if he can get his rebounds to a level I believe he can--6-7 rebounds--you have a borderline all star player

Briggs, do you think he can and will be a 20/10 player at some point down the road? Last night, his rebounding weaknesses were a little glaring, but he has also shown flashes that he can be pretty good.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Briggs, do you think he can and will be a 20/10 player at some point down the road? Last night, his rebounding weaknesses were a little glaring, but he has also shown flashes that he can be pretty good.

I'd like to think a little more about Frye's rebounding weaknesses. The guys is a GOOD outside shooter, and that mean he IS going to be on the perimeter a lot, especially to spead the floor if Curry is posting. Let's not forget that. Time will tell.

The lil fundamental needs to start grabbing all the rebounds. And did anyone notice we lost like three possession last night because they were fighting each other for the rebound. One time it was JC and Lee the other time it was Eddy Curry and Richardson. They need to start yelling "I GOT IT" when they have a teammate in the vicinity

Posted by martin:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Briggs, do you think he can and will be a 20/10 player at some point down the road? Last night, his rebounding weaknesses were a little glaring, but he has also shown flashes that he can be pretty good.

I'd like to think a little more about Frye's rebounding weaknesses. The guys is a GOOD outside shooter, and that mean he IS going to be on the perimeter a lot, especially to spead the floor if Curry is posting. Let's not forget that. Time will tell.

yes, but his perimeter shooting has nothing to do with where he stations himself on D. Kurt almost never saw the paint on offense and he was in thick of things on D.

Channing actually plays a fair ammount in the paint, he had at least 4 baskets in the paint last night. He also had two offensive boards.

The one defensive board is his big problem. He needs to focus on boxing out and timing his jumps better. With his length and 31" vertical, he can get up higher than most people on the floor and he should get 6 to 8 defensive boards in 30 minutes.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Briggs, do you think he can and will be a 20/10 player at some point down the road? Last night, his rebounding weaknesses were a little glaring, but he has also shown flashes that he can be pretty good.

I'd like to think a little more about Frye's rebounding weaknesses. The guys is a GOOD outside shooter, and that mean he IS going to be on the perimeter a lot, especially to spead the floor if Curry is posting. Let's not forget that. Time will tell.

When he was playing awesome offense in the first half, in terms of scoring, he had 2 dunks, an aggresive as hell post move, a couple of jump shots, and a cut to the hoop and aggresive finish off a nice feed from Crawford. He totally mixed it up. When he wasn't scoring that much in the second half, he was relying on his long jump shot too much. I love Frye, but he totally has to mix everything up, and that's good that he has the ability to do that. He's gonna be an effective as hell scorer/overall offensive player, but lets see him go strong to the hoop in the closing minutes as well. Display some assertiveness. Show the league he's for real and means business. If he continues his cuts to the hoop, his sweet post moves and all, the jumpshots will be there all day for him. The kid has sooo much talent, but it all has to be utilized throughout the whole game. 15 shots a game. 5 Js, 5 post ups (I'm sure they can make room with or w/o Curry) and 5 cuts. I don't see how that's unreasonable. Of course, all this depends on the defender, yada yada. Like if Shaq is guarding him, he should be playing on the perimeter a heck of a lot more. But if he's being guarded by Sweetney, get his ars in the paint and act like he wants to rip some peoples heads off. He has to be consistent with the mixture, or else a healthy diet of jumpshots will lead to bad habits.

Posted by technomaster:

Just so we have a more objective view on rebounding expectations for Frye/Curry, I've looked up stats for a few athletic bigmen:

Rasheed Wallace finally broke 8rpg in his 7th season (8.2rpg).
Camby finally broke 8rpg in his 5th season (he suddenly averaged 11.5, up from his previous high of 7.8).
Antonio McDyess broke 8 in his 4th season (he jumped to 10.7rpg from a prev. high of 7.6rpg).
Kenyon Martin broke 8 in his 3rd season.
Theo Ratliff broke 8 in his 5th season (his highest output was 8.3rpg).

Tim Thomas has NEVER averaged 5rpg.

Given his minutes, Frye's rebounding is pretty solid, especially as a rookie.

wow, way to dig the stat book. very interesting

Posted by martin:

Posted by technomaster:

Just so we have a more objective view on rebounding expectations for Frye/Curry, I've looked up stats for a few athletic bigmen:

Rasheed Wallace finally broke 8rpg in his 7th season (8.2rpg).
Camby finally broke 8rpg in his 5th season (he suddenly averaged 11.5, up from his previous high of 7.8).
Antonio McDyess broke 8 in his 4th season (he jumped to 10.7rpg from a prev. high of 7.6rpg).
Kenyon Martin broke 8 in his 3rd season.
Theo Ratliff broke 8 in his 5th season (his highest output was 8.3rpg).

Tim Thomas has NEVER averaged 5rpg.

Given his minutes, Frye's rebounding is pretty solid, especially as a rookie.

wow, way to dig the stat book. very interesting

yeah, good post. Thanks. I think Curry will hit 8rpg this season. It will take Frye a few seasons to get there, but obviously, it's not the end of the world if it does take a few seasons.

Posted by technomaster:

Just so we have a more objective view on rebounding expectations for Frye/Curry, I've looked up stats for a few athletic bigmen:

Rasheed Wallace finally broke 8rpg in his 7th season (8.2rpg).
Camby finally broke 8rpg in his 5th season (he suddenly averaged 11.5, up from his previous high of 7.8).
Antonio McDyess broke 8 in his 4th season (he jumped to 10.7rpg from a prev. high of 7.6rpg).
Kenyon Martin broke 8 in his 3rd season.
Theo Ratliff broke 8 in his 5th season (his highest output was 8.3rpg).

Tim Thomas has NEVER averaged 5rpg.

Given his minutes, Frye's rebounding is pretty solid, especially as a rookie.

Awesome post, very helpful and insightful. Players take time to develop. I keep forgeting that. btw, Frye has been the bright spot in this season for me. I do agree with Briggs in the aspect that this guy should be your #2 or $3 option right now, I rather see him start over Antonio. I think Brown is right about the younger players, because you can tell that they aren't use to the back to back games. Veterans know how to pace themselves. I am down on Isiah's signing of JJ, but that guy can draft for my team anytime.

ps, Q is really stinking up the joint.

hey, does anyone know if there's video of the crawford to channing transition alley oop? it didn't make the nba.com highlight video, instead they have channing just hitting a jumper.