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Knight
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11/15/2005  2:24 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

I like how Marbury and Crawford has been playing in the last 2 games.

I like how they got the offense operating on all cylinders last night, a real thing of beauty.
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11/15/2005  3:30 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I like how Marbury and Crawford has been playing in the last 2 games.

I like how they got the offense operating on all cylinders last night, a real thing of beauty.

Hard to stay awake for that game. It was sloooow!

Crawfords jumpshot all alone at the foul line was a good one. Easy!

Theya re learning that team ball makes for easy shots. They have mad ability to create, but the right way is the easy way.

Yes, Knight, the O is coming along. With Larry, you got cred!


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11/15/2005  3:33 PM
Where is McK1...he usually has something mean to say about marbury...oh, he's one of those guys that waits for a bad game to yell TRADE in a crowded message board.

Where are all the haters? We keep gulping Kool Aid when we lose, you guys should keep hating when we win.

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11/15/2005  4:26 PM
I wish Larry would get his head out of his ass and officially give Marbury the "AI role".

Enough of this PG ****.

Marbury should be shooting and shooting until he can't shoot anymore.

Remember the 2nd GS game?

Remeber the 1st half?

Crawford played almost exclusively at PG, Marbury almost exclusively at SG. And we were killing. Simply put, Jamal sets the offense up faster and more efficiently than Steph.

Enough tinkering around. Put Steph in his rightful place.

You wanna know why our offense has been iffy?

B/C MARBURY IS NOT A POINT GUARD!
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11/15/2005  4:31 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I wish Larry would get his head out of his ass and officially give Marbury the "AI role".

Enough of this PG ****.

Marbury should be shooting and shooting until he can't shoot anymore.

Remember the 2nd GS game?

Remeber the 1st half?

Crawford played almost exclusively at PG, Marbury almost exclusively at SG. And we were killing. Simply put, Jamal sets the offense up faster and more efficiently than Steph.

Enough tinkering around. Put Steph in his rightful place.

You wanna know why our offense has been iffy?

B/C MARBURY IS NOT A POINT GUARD!

Remember the games we won where Marbury played the PG role and Crawford played excellently as a SG coming off curls and driving to the hole?

Marbury is a PG. Crawford is a SG who can play some PG. End of story.

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11/15/2005  5:23 PM
If Crawford's jumper wasn't falling. If Q missed his open looks. If Curry didn't provide an impact on in the paint on offense and defense. It would force Marbury to be that 20pt 8assist guy that a lot of people diss like. Its a lot easier for him to play this way when his teammates are doing there part. If there not doing there part and he has to do all the work, make all the plays, then we aren't going to win. I don't care that he called himself the best PG in the game. To hold him to those standards and get away from what really wins us games because of what he said is stupid. Every stud player needs to be able to rely on his teammates.

Kobe Bryant is superior talent to Marbury, but missed the playoffs last season with Lamar Odom. Who some think is more talented than our best player, and he is Kobe's sidekick. Tracy Mcgrady superior talent to Marbury lost 19straight games in Orlando. Kevin Garnett superior talent to Marbury missed the playoffs last season while having Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. Paul Pierce was threatend to miss the playoffs untill A.Walker got there. Iverson was threatend to miss the playoffs until Webber got there. Lebron James superior talent to Marbury missed the playoffs as well. All these guys are more talented or superior talent than/to Marbury but couldn't get it done when they had to do all the work. So how can we put those expectations on Marbury and then blast him when he doesn't do it when guys who are superior talent to him couldn't do it either???

Let that marinate for a little bit.
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11/15/2005  5:26 PM
good points, nyny
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11/15/2005  5:59 PM
Larry is transforming him into what we have wanted him to become since day 1: a leader. Will that hurt Marbury's fantasy value? Maybe, but the best thing I've seen from him so far is that he is willing to learn and change just because he wants to win badly and finally wants to call a team "home".

Its funny that most of the writers that criticize Marbury for not being a leader and being a perennial loser are the ones that want him to score 20 and 8 even if his team is starting to win and play the right way. The truth is that Isiah has brought in many players that can definitely score and get things going for us, just what Marbury needed to really play like a point guard. Craw, Q, Curry and even Frye are guys Marbury can count on to score. He is such a great passer that others with difficulties scoring will also get a good chance to score.

The things this season that are a first for Marbury is that he has a team with players that can score and he finally has a great coach/teacher to teach him how to really be a point guard. Maybe Marbury won't average 20 and 8 again under Brown, but this could be the year where everyone sees him finally become a leader, and with that, a winner...
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11/15/2005  6:17 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

If Crawford's jumper wasn't falling. If Q missed his open looks. If Curry didn't provide an impact on in the paint on offense and defense. It would force Marbury to be that 20pt 8assist guy that a lot of people diss like. Its a lot easier for him to play this way when his teammates are doing there part. If there not doing there part and he has to do all the work, make all the plays, then we aren't going to win. I don't care that he called himself the best PG in the game. To hold him to those standards and get away from what really wins us games because of what he said is stupid. Every stud player needs to be able to rely on his teammates.

Kobe Bryant is superior talent to Marbury, but missed the playoffs last season with Lamar Odom. Who some think is more talented than our best player, and he is Kobe's sidekick. Tracy Mcgrady superior talent to Marbury lost 19straight games in Orlando. Kevin Garnett superior talent to Marbury missed the playoffs last season while having Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. Paul Pierce was threatend to miss the playoffs untill A.Walker got there. Iverson was threatend to miss the playoffs until Webber got there. Lebron James superior talent to Marbury missed the playoffs as well. All these guys are more talented or superior talent than/to Marbury but couldn't get it done when they had to do all the work. So how can we put those expectations on Marbury and then blast him when he doesn't do it when guys who are superior talent to him couldn't do it either???

Let that marinate for a little bit.

You make some excellent points here
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11/15/2005  7:24 PM
^The Western Conference was very competitive as far as who made the playoffs last year--the East on the other hand has been very weak until this yaear.
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11/15/2005  7:35 PM
Posted by Knight:

^The Western Conference was very competitive as far as who made the playoffs last year--the East on the other hand has been very weak until this yaear.


The West was also very strong when Marbury almost single-handedly beat the Spurs in the playoffs in 03. He took them to 6 games, with a barely developed Amare and no Q or Jim Jackson.
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11/15/2005  7:41 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Knight:

^The Western Conference was very competitive as far as who made the playoffs last year--the East on the other hand has been very weak until this yaear.


The West was also very strong when Marbury almost single-handedly beat the Spurs in the playoffs in 03. He took them to 6 games, with a barely developed Amare and no Q or Jim Jackson.

Amare, Marion, and Penny all contributed in that series. Marion average 18 and 11 in that series, Amare 14 and 8, Penny 13, 6, and 4.


[Edited by - Knight on 11-15-2005 7:42 PM]
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11/15/2005  7:50 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Knight:

^The Western Conference was very competitive as far as who made the playoffs last year--the East on the other hand has been very weak until this yaear.


The West was also very strong when Marbury almost single-handedly beat the Spurs in the playoffs in 03. He took them to 6 games, with a barely developed Amare and no Q or Jim Jackson.

Amare, Marion, and Penny all contributed in that series. Marion average 18 and 11 in that series, Amare 14 and 8, Penny 13, 6, and 4.


[Edited by - Knight on 11-15-2005 7:42 PM]

Yes, he had help, but not the kind of help MVP Nash when he went down in flames in five games to last year's Spurs and not the kind of help Shaq had when he went down to the Spurs in 03. Two of the Suns losses to the Spurs in that series were by two points.

My point is: Steph has never ever had stability anywhere he's gone. NJN was a series of disasters with injuries. PHO was developing before he had the rug pulled out from under him. MIN was developing but he was clearly young and immature and they were still trying to add pieces around KG and Steph when Googs left town. He clearly hasn't had any in 1.5 seasons in NY. He's played with over 40 different guys over the course of 120 games.

Now we hopefully have some stability and a great coach who works with guards and let's see where it goes. He's one of the more talented PGs ever to play the game and this may be the best situation he's ever been in. I'm willing to give him three years to try and make it work. If it doesn't, you move him and most of our core is 24-27 and you go from there.
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11/15/2005  7:52 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Larry is transforming him into what we have wanted him to become since day 1: a leader. Will that hurt Marbury's fantasy value? Maybe, but the best thing I've seen from him so far is that he is willing to learn and change just because he wants to win badly and finally wants to call a team "home".

That is all made possible by his teammates doing what is expected of them. If they don't and he played the same way then people will be saying why is he playing passive, he needs to be putting up big #s to make up for his teammates lack of production. Or if he does go into that 20-8mode to try and make up for his teammates lack of production and win then he is a stud. If he loses then he would be called a stat padder who doesn't care about winning only his #s. But your more likley to lose that way then win.

So its not that he just decided to be more of a floor general he is also allowed to be that because these last 2 games his teammates did what they were expected.
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11/15/2005  7:54 PM
Posted by Knight:

^The Western Conference was very competitive as far as who made the playoffs last year--the East on the other hand has been very weak until this yaear.


So what your trying to say is that Kobe & KG get a pass though they are superior talent and Marbury doesn't???
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11/15/2005  7:55 PM
If all the stuff about Marbs wasn't true, why doesn't his ex-teammates or current teammates come out and stick up for the guy and praise the guy for being a great teammate? Complete silence on the issue.
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11/15/2005  7:56 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Knight:

^The Western Conference was very competitive as far as who made the playoffs last year--the East on the other hand has been very weak until this yaear.


So what your trying to say is that Kobe & KG get a pass though they are superior talent and Marbury doesn't???

The West was very competitive, put those players in the East last year and they make the playoffs, put Marbury in the West and you get even worse.
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11/15/2005  8:28 PM
So top 5 type talent not just for there positions but also for the whole NBA who both had talent on there teams miss playoffs because there confrence was tougher so they get a pass?? But yet lesser talented player considerd top 20 instead of top 5 with Lesser talent on his team miss the playoffs in a weaker confrence and he doesn't get a pass??

If all the stuff about Marbs wasn't true, why doesn't his ex-teammates or current teammates come out and stick up for the guy and praise the guy for being a great teammate? Complete silence on the issue.


This has nothing to do with what I was saying. You don't have to be a great teammate to win games. Jordan wasn't a great teammate. Neither was Kobe Bryant a great teammate when he was winning championships with Shaq.Im sure after Marbury bought Frye, Lee, Nate those suits to help them adapt to the new rules they got his vote though. Or when Marbury let Ariza live in his house he got his vote. And of course he got Crawfords vote. Im sure he got Barbosa's vote by putting him under his wing and made him feel comfortable playing in a different country. Didn't Barbosa cry when he found out Marbury was traded. Eddie Curry had a quote earlier saying how everyone loves each other and the west coach road trip is the best thing to happen to them and they can't wait to play tommorrow after the sac game. Marbury had his run ins and he had his positive moments none of that has anything to do with what him saying though.
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11/15/2005  8:30 PM
^Wasn't addressing you with that post. Jordan not a great teammate? Where did you come up with that?
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11/15/2005  9:12 PM
Posted by Knight:

^Wasn't addressing you with that post. Jordan not a great teammate? Where did you come up with that?


Jordan ridiculed people, punched them in the face curse at and generally demeaned several key players:
Pippen
Paxson
Grant

and thats without me thinking about it too hard.
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