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Is Marbury a Hall of Famer?


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Knight
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If Marbury's career ended today, does he get inducted?
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technomaster
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11/14/2005  2:38 PM
Hey, Nique didn't even make the NBA top-50 ever list.

King/Wilkins never won NBA titles... King's medium range game hasn't been replicated since, and Wilkins' amazing offensive prowess are often mimicked, but not matched.

Both of them got shafted. However, Wilkins went to Europe after his NBA career and won a title there.

Really, it comes down to titles at this point. If Marbury ends up winning 2 titles, he'll more or less have matched Isiah's accomplishments... and will have surpassed those of other contemporary bridesmaids, Gary Payton and Allen Iverson.

Of course, winning a title isn't everything... In spite of his excellent leadership and clutch performances (not to mention awesome stats in his old age), I don't think Sam Cassell has much of a shot.
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11/14/2005  2:47 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by efw:
I'd vote yes if the team were 2-4, but we're 1-5, so I have to vote no.

hilarious

this is the dumbest poll ever.

Why?
Because Marbury's in the *middle* of his career. There are so many players who by age 28 didn't look like hall-of-famers but by 35 did.

Is Dwight Howard a hall-of-famer right now? (You get the point?)

Howard is 20, Marbury is almost 29.
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11/14/2005  2:56 PM
People are basing this question on THIS YEAR?? Come on now. Marbury has the stats, but as we all know, what people look for are scoring, assists, rebounding titles, MVPs, defensive player of the year awards, championships, how many times he's been on first team all NBA and all NBA defense. Marbury has none of that, so at this point, NO. However, can he get some of that, YES he can, but to this day, he hasn't, so he doesn't deserve it yet.
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11/14/2005  3:00 PM
In my mind, here are some currently playing hall of famers:

Who deserve it now:

Garnett
Duncan
Ben Wallace
Kobe
Iverson
Shaq
Mutombo
Kidd
Gary Payton

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 11-14-2005 3:08 PM]
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11/14/2005  3:05 PM
Don't think Mutombo makes it.


agree with the rest of your list though.
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11/14/2005  3:08 PM
Dikembe Mutombo

Got to the finals and had many many defensive player of the year awards/ all NBA defense. I am not sure if he's ever been on the All NBA team. That in my mind, is just as deserving as the offense. Maybe I should have put Ben Wallace on that list too.
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11/14/2005  3:29 PM
People don't even get considered for the hall until 5 (and often many more) years after they finish playing. And then, most players don't get inducted for even longer than that. Furthermore, The Hall of fame isn't just based on stats. Stephon has another 5-6 years, maybe even more, of NBA ball left. Likewise, he may have a catastrophic injury tomorrow (knocking on wood). How the hell can you possibly make a judgment now?!

Not to mention that some players are nominated with no rhyme or reason. Here's a couple of recent nominees:

Gus Johnson: People remember Johnson as a short strong guy who was a great boarder, kind of an ancestor of the Charles Barkley-monster that arose later. Johnson averaged double figure rebounds eight years in a row including an incredible 18.2 ppg 17.1 rpg season in 1970-71. This was a Hall of Fame-level play. Unfortunately, Johnson had a short career (ten years) and was often injured (he missed over a season and a half worth of games). Another factor that weakens Johnson is that he had a steep drop off from his peak. After the incredilbe 1970-71 season, Johnson hurt himself and scored only 6.5 ppg over two more injury-plagued seasons.

Chet Walker: He is clearly an engaging and thoughtful guy who was more than just an athlete. As a player, though, he might not be a Hall of Famer. He was good on the great Wilt-76ers teams and a star on some decent Chicago Bulls teams. He was remarkably consistent, averaging 18.2 ppg and 7.1 rpg for his career. He was a bad passer averaging only 2.1 apg for his career. Walker had a short career for a good but not great player (only 13 years). He probably needed more time to create a more convincing case. Walker clearly had a lot left in his tank when he retired too, his last year he put up 19.2 ppg.

Maurice Cheeks: The quintessential team player. Cheeks was never the best player on his team. He was a good third or fourth wheel on the old 76ers when Dr. J and Moses Malone starred. Cheeks was the perfect point guard for a star laden team, he could pass and defend but he did not need to shoot. In fact, he never scored more than 15.6 ppg in a season. (Incidentally, Cheeks in his prime would be a perfect player for the Portland team he currently coaches). Cheeks' best statistical accomplishment was when he had the all-time lead in career steal. He has since been passed by John Stockton and Michael Jordan with Scottie Pippen closing in quickly. This is not really a good argument on Cheeks' behalf anyway as steals are not a vital stat to determining effectiveness.

Statistically, Steph's not worse than any of these players. Some of these guys don't have a championship either. You can't predict who's going to be nominated by the hall comittee. Steph might still win a championship. Does that make him a hall of famer? It would still depend.

There is no way to make such a prediction in the middle of someone's career. That's why this is a stupid poll.
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11/14/2005  4:35 PM
Only other player to average 20 and 8 other than Oscar Robertson
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11/14/2005  4:39 PM
No not until he becomes a key part of a team that wins playoff rounds for multiple seasons
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11/14/2005  5:35 PM
No, not today. If he continues on this pace for another 3-5 seasons and gets reasonably far in the playoffs 1-2 years, yes. Not many people are going to finish with the combination of pts and asts that he has accumulated.
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11/14/2005  5:39 PM
I think the results are pretty much unanimous--just making sure noboby posting here was clinically insane.
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11/14/2005  5:52 PM
What purpose did this serve? I voted No and stated my piece before but I don't really see a purpose here.
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11/14/2005  5:55 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

What purpose did this serve? I voted No and stated my piece before but I don't really see a purpose here.

What purpose do you serve?
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11/14/2005  5:56 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by nyk4ever:

What purpose did this serve? I voted No and stated my piece before but I don't really see a purpose here.

What purpose do you serve?


My purpose is too ask you why you made this poll

The question isn't a knock.. I think its fairly obvious, thats all.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-14-2005 5:57 PM]
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11/14/2005  5:57 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by nyk4ever:

What purpose did this serve? I voted No and stated my piece before but I don't really see a purpose here.

What purpose do you serve?


My purpose is too ask you why you made this poll

To see how great people think our "best" player is.
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11/14/2005  5:58 PM
Posted by Knight:


To see how great people think our "best" player is.

Fair enough I guess. I wasn't trying to be snide, I just thought it was obvious what everyone thought, thats all.


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11/14/2005  6:00 PM
alright now u guys kiss and make up
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11/14/2005  6:16 PM
So 6 pages devoted to whether or not Ariza will become a star is ok but asking if people think Marbury will become a Hall of Famer isn't? Isn't that what a basketball board is for?

And to answer the question, no I don't think so but people are always getting into Hall of Fames as accumulators of numbers despite never having been a top/great player. Eddie Murray being one of the most blatant. If you took his best seasons in HR, RBI and BA it wouldn't even be an MVP season. But that's another topic.

[Edited by - islesfan on 11-14-2005 6:19 PM]
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11/14/2005  6:58 PM
Based on what? All his championship rings or playoff wins. Zero and zero for the hero.
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11/14/2005  7:19 PM
Posted by islesfan:

So 6 pages devoted to whether or not Ariza will become a star is ok but asking if people think Marbury will become a Hall of Famer isn't? Isn't that what a basketball board is for?
[Edited by - islesfan on 11-14-2005 6:19 PM]
Asking whether he will "become" a hall-of-famer is reasonable; asking whether he is one "now" is silly IMO. Very, very few 28 year olds are.

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