Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by rvhoss:

So what's your point? AD getting 9 boards a game is meaningless?

I don't see the correlation.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Bonn1997:

These #s are quite unstable this early in the season. I'm sure they'll get much smaller but the point that the young guys are winners and the vets are losing games is clear.

hey you got it! Good boy

since we now have stats that prove the Knicks are horrible with AD in the line up what conclusion would you draw Einstien?

They hardly "prove" anything with a sample size of 3 games. I'm with you that Frye and Lee should be playing ahead of AD, though. I didn't need 82games.com to tell me that.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-08-2005 2:25 PM]

Posted by islesfan:

As Solace would say: You're pwned.

Posted by rvhoss:

I still don't understand, does AD suck and Rose is our best front court player?
Did you pull these stats to prove that they make no sense?

What are you thoughts on Rose's high ranking? And does this confirm Ariza is a star?

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by rvhoss:

So what's your point? AD getting 9 boards a game is meaningless?

I don't see the correlation.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Bonn1997:

These #s are quite unstable this early in the season. I'm sure they'll get much smaller but the point that the young guys are winners and the vets are losing games is clear.

hey you got it! Good boy

since we now have stats that prove the Knicks are horrible with AD in the line up what conclusion would you draw Einstien?

They hardly "prove" anything with a sample size of 3 games. I'm with you that Frye and Lee should be playing ahead of AD, though. I didn't need 82games.com to tell me that.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-08-2005 2:25 PM]

But yet you made such a big deal about Big Stiff's 12 good playoff games out of the hundreds NBA games that he's played.

As Solace would say: You're pwned.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by rvhoss:

So what's your point? AD getting 9 boards a game is meaningless?

I don't see the correlation.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Bonn1997:

These #s are quite unstable this early in the season. I'm sure they'll get much smaller but the point that the young guys are winners and the vets are losing games is clear.

hey you got it! Good boy

since we now have stats that prove the Knicks are horrible with AD in the line up what conclusion would you draw Einstien?

They hardly "prove" anything with a sample size of 3 games. I'm with you that Frye and Lee should be playing ahead of AD, though. I didn't need 82games.com to tell me that.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-08-2005 2:25 PM]

But yet you made such a big deal about Big Stiff's 12 good playoff games out of the hundreds NBA games that he's played.

As Solace would say: You're pwned.

I said he had nice #s in his 17 career playoff games. You can hardly say 17 games and 3 games are comparable samples sizes. I hope that even you wouldn't make that kind of stretch.

I bet you couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Posted by rvhoss:

I still don't understand

- It's already been mentioned but bears repeating: nothing really meaningful can be projected from these #s just yet. The sample size is very small and very biased.

Posted by fishmike:

Tom!!! finally BB chat! Thanks for the good response. A couple of things

- It's already been mentioned but bears repeating: nothing really meaningful can be projected from these #s just yet. The sample size is very small and very biased.

I disagree for this reason. LB is playing so many players and guys have been pretty inconsistant, but there are some patterns that are hard to ignore. The thing that jumps out at me is the types of players at the top and bottom are very similar. Guys at the top in Ariza, Frye, Nate, Lee and Rose are all hustle guys and very active. They are always moving on offense and defense.
On the flip side the guys on the bottom in Curry, Q, AD and JJ are less active. Q is usually spotting up somewhere. When Curry has the ball everyone stops and watches. AD is a position rebounder and JJ... well we wont go there.

The two anomalies are Rose and Barnes. Now I think Barnes has really be hurt by his D; ie whoever he's guarding has done very well. Rose has simply played very hard and better than his stats would indicate. The game where he drew the 2 charges for one.

The big conclusion? Our guards. Crawford, Nate and Marbury are all better when surrounded by active players, and they are better on both sides of the ball. The lack of motion with the bottom guys takes away from their ability to find open guys, get offensive boards, crash the glass, fill the lane, get steals, etc.

when the Knicks are moving good things happen. The guys at the top move.

Just my take on that

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by rvhoss:

So what's your point? AD getting 9 boards a game is meaningless?

I don't see the correlation.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Bonn1997:

These #s are quite unstable this early in the season. I'm sure they'll get much smaller but the point that the young guys are winners and the vets are losing games is clear.

hey you got it! Good boy

since we now have stats that prove the Knicks are horrible with AD in the line up what conclusion would you draw Einstien?

They hardly "prove" anything with a sample size of 3 games. I'm with you that Frye and Lee should be playing ahead of AD, though. I didn't need 82games.com to tell me that.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-08-2005 2:25 PM]

But yet you made such a big deal about Big Stiff's 12 good playoff games out of the hundreds NBA games that he's played.

As Solace would say: You're pwned.

I said he had nice #s in his 17 career playoff games. You can hardly say 17 games and 3 games are comparable samples sizes. I hope that even you wouldn't make that kind of stretch.

I bet you couldn't even type that with a straight face.

So you're seriously saying that a 17 game playoff sample and 3 game regular season sample are comparable? I'd love to hear you explain that one

You just don't know when to leave things alone do you Bonnie? I wasn't going to push it further but fine.

17 (and it's probably not that high but I'll give it to you) games out of 294 games is 5.7%

3 out of 82 is 3.6

Yeah, 2.1% is such a HUGE difference. And that's assuming that he played that well in 17 games but like I said, I'll give it to you.

Pwned indeed.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by rvhoss:

So what's your point? AD getting 9 boards a game is meaningless?

I don't see the correlation.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Bonn1997:

These #s are quite unstable this early in the season. I'm sure they'll get much smaller but the point that the young guys are winners and the vets are losing games is clear.

hey you got it! Good boy

since we now have stats that prove the Knicks are horrible with AD in the line up what conclusion would you draw Einstien?

They hardly "prove" anything with a sample size of 3 games. I'm with you that Frye and Lee should be playing ahead of AD, though. I didn't need 82games.com to tell me that.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-08-2005 2:25 PM]

But yet you made such a big deal about Big Stiff's 12 good playoff games out of the hundreds NBA games that he's played.

As Solace would say: You're pwned.

I said he had nice #s in his 17 career playoff games. You can hardly say 17 games and 3 games are comparable samples sizes. I hope that even you wouldn't make that kind of stretch.

I bet you couldn't even type that with a straight face.

So you're seriously saying that a 17 game playoff sample and 3 game regular season sample are comparable? I'd love to hear you explain that one

You just don't know when to leave things alone do you Bonnie? I wasn't going to push it further but fine.

17 (and it's probably not that high but I'll give it to you) games out of 294 games is 5.7%

3 out of 82 is 3.6

Yeah, 2.1% is such a HUGE difference. And that's assuming that he played that well in 17 games but like I said, I'll give it to you.

Pwned indeed.

Dividing one # by 82 and the other by 294 obscures the fact that 17 playoff games are still a much larger sample to go by than 3 regular season games. The 17 games were also the 17 biggest ones of his career (b/c they're playoff games) and should have greater weight than any individual regular season games.

Posted by fishmike:

I disagree for this reason. LB is playing so many players and guys have been pretty inconsistant, but there are some patterns that are hard to ignore. The thing that jumps out at me is the types of players at the top and bottom are very similar. Guys at the top in Ariza, Frye, Nate, Lee and Rose are all hustle guys and very active. They are always moving on offense and defense.
On the flip side the guys on the bottom in Curry, Q, AD and JJ are less active. Q is usually spotting up somewhere. When Curry has the ball everyone stops and watches. AD is a position rebounder and JJ... well we wont go there.