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OngBok
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11/8/2005  11:26 AM





New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 38.4 minutes
Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
4.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 16.7 minutes
Matt Barnes
6-7 SF from UCLA
3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 16.6 minutes
Incoming
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
7.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 4.5 apg in 22.6 minutes
Eduardo Najera
6-8 SF from Oklahoma
6.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.1 minutes
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
9.6 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -2.2 ppg, +3.7 rpg, and +1.3 apg.


Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
7.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 4.5 apg in 22.6 minutes
Eduardo Najera
6-8 SF from Oklahoma
6.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.1 minutes
Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
9.6 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.9 minutes
Incoming
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 38.4 minutes
Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
4.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 16.7 minutes
Matt Barnes
6-7 SF from UCLA
3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 16.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +2.2 ppg, -3.7 rpg, and -1.3 apg.



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OngBok
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11/8/2005  11:27 AM
Now that is an even trade !!
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11/8/2005  11:28 AM
We can actually get back the guy Scott Layden gave away along with Camby during draft night !!!!!
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11/8/2005  11:31 AM
Nene will be good but I think the Knicks are set up front. I don't think we need Nene man we got Channing, David Lee, and Butler..........You guys are greedy.

Watson, Watson, Watson!!!!

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11/8/2005  11:34 AM
Posted by OngBok:

Now that is an even trade !!


Yup pretty even.

So I guess we can have our Nene and.....er forget it.
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11/8/2005  11:35 AM
Enyspree, Nene is an expiring contract, so next year we can tender him a 1 yr deal to see if he can still play after his surgery. Because Nene is better than Butler and Lee before he got hurt. Plus he is 6'11 and can play both forward spots unlike Lee ( who i love as a player )
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11/8/2005  11:47 AM
Posted by OngBok:

Enyspree, Nene is an expiring contract, so next year we can tender him a 1 yr deal to see if he can still play after his surgery. Because Nene is better than Butler and Lee before he got hurt. Plus he is 6'11 and can play both forward spots unlike Lee ( who i love as a player )



Man, Lee can definately play and defend the 3 spot.

No need to describe Nene to me. I think the dude is the quickest big man in the game. I was just saying Channing is gonna be a player Nene would be over kill.....but.....that trade you posted looks good to me! Geez man you get rid of Crawford, Jerome James and even free playing time for Jackie Butler......oh yeah we get Nene for next season?!?!

Sign me up!

I love Watson bro! Geez man.....get Watson and get crunk!!!


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11/8/2005  11:50 AM
lol.... Enyspree how do you get the pics on here ( not a computer geek ) lol....
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11/8/2005  11:58 AM
why i gotta be a geek?




[Edited by - enyspree on 11-08-2005 11:58 AM]
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11/8/2005  12:27 PM
A resounding no from me. He's a younger Ward without the good 3 pointer. I saw him play about 20 games last year. He did a great job beating up on the opposing team's 2nd string guards.

I am MUCH more in favor of sticking with Marbury/Craw/Nate even if the defense isnt there. With the athletic frountvourt guys we have what we really need are playmakers, which Watson is not. The problem right now is our playmakers have no idea what they are supposed to do.

They will get it. Relax on this. Larry will get them to relax. This offense should be simple. Set a high screen for Marbury, Nate or Craw. Have them attack the basket. Dump it off to a Curry or Lee. Let Ariza and Curry crash the glass. Look for Frye or Q open for a mid range jumper.

They will get it. We have good players and good coach. Watson isnt what this group needs IMO
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11/8/2005  12:47 PM
Posted by fishmike:

A resounding no from me. He's a younger Ward without the good 3 pointer. I saw him play about 20 games last year. He did a great job beating up on the opposing team's 2nd string guards.

I am MUCH more in favor of sticking with Marbury/Craw/Nate even if the defense isnt there. With the athletic frountvourt guys we have what we really need are playmakers, which Watson is not. The problem right now is our playmakers have no idea what they are supposed to do.

They will get it. Relax on this. Larry will get them to relax. This offense should be simple. Set a high screen for Marbury, Nate or Craw. Have them attack the basket. Dump it off to a Curry or Lee. Let Ariza and Curry crash the glass. Look for Frye or Q open for a mid range jumper.

They will get it. We have good players and good coach. Watson isnt what this group needs IMO

Good post, fish. I agree! These guys deserve a chance.

Also, if Jerome James got traded, who'd you call Big Snacks?

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11/8/2005  6:57 PM
Also, if Jerome James got traded, who'd you call Big Snacks?

Jackie Butler maybe ???
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11/8/2005  11:36 PM
Good Bye Crawford Hello Watson...
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11/9/2005  7:18 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Good Bye Crawford Hello Watson...
I really hope not. Vince may be a knucklehead but he's right about one thing. Its a talent driven league and Crawford has so much more talent than Watson its not even funny. Watson is like the Brian Cardinal of PGs.


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11/9/2005  8:33 AM
Posted by fishmike:

A resounding no from me. He's a younger Ward without the good 3 pointer. I saw him play about 20 games last year. He did a great job beating up on the opposing team's 2nd string guards.

I am MUCH more in favor of sticking with Marbury/Craw/Nate even if the defense isnt there. With the athletic frountvourt guys we have what we really need are playmakers, which Watson is not. The problem right now is our playmakers have no idea what they are supposed to do.

They will get it. Relax on this. Larry will get them to relax. This offense should be simple. Set a high screen for Marbury, Nate or Craw. Have them attack the basket. Dump it off to a Curry or Lee. Let Ariza and Curry crash the glass. Look for Frye or Q open for a mid range jumper.

Even if Nene were included in the deal as outlined above? I know he tore his ACL but with a year off, people (especially good athletes in their early 20s) usually come back at 100%. Jamal Crawford tore his ACL and is still extremely quick.

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11/9/2005  8:39 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Good Bye Crawford Hello Watson...
Watson is like the Brian Cardinal of PGs.

Funny comparrison. It's kinda acurate when you think about it.

I got my guys man....remember Shammond Williams? I just new that guy was gonna be the next Terrell Brandon. He had awesome skills now he probably is just doing busines with the dough he stacked up.

Anyway....I've seen Earl play a bunch of games this season too. I love the dude. He does have a little Charlie Ward in him but is that a bad thing? Watson is not as stiff and limited ad Charlie. Watson is a big time defender and he has been clutch offensively especially last year in Memphis.

Thing with Craw....dude is supposed to be a scorer. He hasn't shown that scorer mentality in NY. He's gotten hot a few nights but not really a guy that can take over a game. Like I said he can get hot but his inpact on the game is not like when some of the great scorers in the league do it(Pierce, T-Mac)......

I dunno. It is too early to be pressing the panic button. Right now all of this is because of Larry not sticking with a rotation.......trying to give the vets a chance when the rookies are head and shoulders better.

Maybe if it were a small trade of say Malik for Watson (with some throw ins to make it work)how would you feel about it Fishy? That is more realistic and more of what I would rather do that OngBok trade.


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11/9/2005  8:48 AM
too many small guards. We also need a shooter. Watson just doesnt fill enough needs IMO

If Nene was also included? I suppose so
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11/9/2005  8:53 AM
Posted by fishmike:

too many small guards. We also need a shooter. Watson just doesnt fill enough needs IMO

If Nene was also included? I suppose so


If we getting Nene then the Knicks are gonna have to poop out a bigger turd that Malik Rose.

(I'll spare Martin and Andrew the poopy pics )

[Edited by - enyspree on 11-09-2005 08:54 AM]
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11/9/2005  9:17 AM
Crawford is a terrible basketball player what does he do well, honestly? He doesn't defend, turns the ball over, does not shot a high percentage is soft, allows his feelings to be hurt, and has never played on a winning team......

At least Watson gets after it on defense and pressures the ball up the floor, u need role players that serve a roll, Crawford next
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