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Solace
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11/7/2005  7:52 PM
Posted by s3231:
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Big Smoke from GTA San Andreas.

LMAO!

Finally, someone got the reference. Word up, s3231.

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11/7/2005  8:29 PM
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I knew it was the Fridge or else Junkmein's senior picture. pwned.
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11/7/2005  8:31 PM
Posted by Solace:
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A less talented, much lower paid Dampier

You can't be serious. Dampier has game. James doesn't. And... they don't even have similar styles.
Dampier can average 12 to 13 RPG for a whole season when he wants to (i.e., is in a contract year). When he doesn't want to, he's at 60% productivity. That's HUGE underachievement. I think you're having difficulty understanding that it's possible for two players to be huge underachievers and one (JJ) simply to be a FAR, FAR bigger underachiever. Underachieving is not black and white. There are shades of gray.
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11/7/2005  9:13 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
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A less talented, much lower paid Dampier

You can't be serious. Dampier has game. James doesn't. And... they don't even have similar styles.
Dampier can average 12 to 13 RPG for a whole season when he wants to (i.e., is in a contract year). When he doesn't want to, he's at 60% productivity. That's HUGE underachievement. I think you're having difficulty understanding that it's possible for two players to be huge underachievers and one (JJ) simply to be a FAR, FAR bigger underachiever. Underachieving is not black and white. There are shades of gray.

I never said Dampier wasn't underachieving. But you're comparing a guy who helped Dallas last year, gave them a frontcourt presence, and yes, averaged about 9 and 9 last year vs. a guy who joined the Knicks and racked up something like 10 fouls in 18 minutes. That's like saying Malik Rose is just a less talented, but less paid version of Shaq.
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11/7/2005  9:15 PM
Jerome James will bring the Big Game...

When? We're still waiting, but he's gonna bring it.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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11/7/2005  9:18 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Jerome James will bring the Big Game...

When? We're still waiting, but he's gonna bring it.


yeah...... at the nathans hot dog eating contest
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11/7/2005  10:17 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

A less talented, much lower paid Dampier

You can't be serious. Dampier has game. James doesn't. And... they don't even have similar styles.
Dampier can average 12 to 13 RPG for a whole season when he wants to (i.e., is in a contract year). When he doesn't want to, he's at 60% productivity. That's HUGE underachievement. I think you're having difficulty understanding that it's possible for two players to be huge underachievers and one (JJ) simply to be a FAR, FAR bigger underachiever. Underachieving is not black and white. There are shades of gray.

I never said Dampier wasn't underachieving. But you're comparing a guy who helped Dallas last year, gave them a frontcourt presence, and yes, averaged about 9 and 9 last year vs. a guy who joined the Knicks and racked up something like 10 fouls in 18 minutes. That's like saying Malik Rose is just a less talented, but less paid version of Shaq.
You're basing your entire evaluation of James on 3 games? Both players have the talent and build to be high double double players. Instead, Damps gives you 8/8 and JJ career-wise, 5/4


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-07-2005 10:18 PM]
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11/7/2005  10:28 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You're basing your entire evaluation of James on 3 games? Both players have the talent and build to be high double double players. Instead, Damps gives you 8/8 and JJ career-wise, 5/4

JJ came into camp in terrible shape and has shown nothing. Dampier obviously brings much more to table than that. To shut up this lame argument, I'm going to bring some stats to the table:

Last two seasons:

Erick Dampier
YR TM G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF DQ OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
03-04 Gsw 74 74 32.5 4.7-8.8 .535 0.0-0.0 .000 2.9-4.5 .654 0.4 1.9 1.8 3.1 0.0 4.6 7.3 11.9 0.8 12.3
04-05 Dal 59 56 27.3 3.4-6.2 .550 0.0-0.1 .000 2.3-3.9 .605 0.3 1.4 1.7 3.5 0.0 3.1 5.4 8.5 0.9 9.2

Jerome James
YR TM G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF DQ OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
03-04 Sea 65 24 15.2 2.0-4.0 .498 0.0-0.0 .000 1.0-1.5 .660 0.3 0.9 1.3 2.8 0.0 1.2 2.3 3.5 0.5 5.0
04-05 Sea 80 80 16.6 2.2-4.3 .509 0.0-0.0 .000 0.6-0.8 .723 0.3 1.4 1.1 3.5 0.1 1.0 2.0 3.0 0.2 4.9

Averaged over the last two seasons, Erick Dampier is a 11 pt, 10 reb, 1 ast, 3 PF, 1.7 blk, 54% FG guy over about 30 mpg.
Averaged over the last two seasons, Jerome James is a 5 pt, 3.2 reb, .4 ast, 3 PF, 1.2 blk, 50% FG guy over about 16 mpg.

Where's the comparison? The fact that James plays half the amount of the time because he's extremely foul prone? This is not a three-game revelation. Even with that, Dampier is way superior to James. Dampier isn't a stud, but let's get real. This is Jerome James. The fact that he had a good playoff series against a guy who came back from a broken leg injury, good for him. He's been crap for us, and he was pretty much crap for the Sonics too. Any comparison to Dampier is insane. Put Dampier on the Knicks and we could start Curry at PF.

[Edited by - Solace on 11-07-2005 10:29 PM]
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11/8/2005  1:43 AM
This thread is gold.

But it's useless without more pix.

Shit, I don't even know how to post pix.

Well.....there are no words to describe him anyway.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/8/2005  1:59 AM
Geez. What does averaging the one year Dampier played hard and his most recent year accomplish? You should be looking at the discrepency between the two seasons if you want to see that he's a huge underachiever (but less huge than James). This is obviously going nowhere. You don't seem to get the point that it's possible for two players to underachieve with one simply underachieving to a greater extent than the other. With Dampier you have quadruple the salary and much less underachievement.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-08-2005 02:02 AM]
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11/8/2005  2:07 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Geez. What does averaging the one year Dampier played hard and his most recent year accomplish? You should be looking at the discrepency between the two seasons if you want to see that he's a huge underachiever (but less huge than James). This is obviously going nowhere. You don't seem to get the point that it's possible for two players to underachieve with one simply underachieving to a greater extent than the other. With Dampier you have quadruple the salary and much less underachievement.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-08-2005 02:02 AM]

It's that your comparison is assinine. I could compare Steve Nash vs. Andre Barrett, but it wouldn't get me anywhere. Dampier is overpaid, no doubt about it, but him and Jerome James are not on the same level. One has a $75 MM (or whatever) contract and one has a $30 MM contract. Each is overpaid, but James is more overpaid. Why, because Dampier is actually starting and has been a factor for the Mavs. Right now, it looks like James is going to be worth $0 of the $30 MM. I would rather overpay by a lot and get a guy who plays then overpay for less and get a guy who has zero value to the team. Now, just admit you're talking out of your ass on this one and all will go back to normal.

[Edited by - Solace on 11-08-2005 02:09 AM]
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11/8/2005  2:14 AM
If you're bringing up Steve Francis and Andre Barret, it proves that you have no appreciation for the fact that two players can underachieve while one underachieves a lot more than the other. If you're gonna view underachievement solely in black and white and resort to childish name-calling when someone else doesn't view it that way, there's nothing left to discuss.
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11/8/2005  2:54 AM
Bonn, if some were to ask you who Shaq reminds you of, would you reply Nate Robinson with more height and less ball handling skills? Or an overpaid Travis Knight with a rap album? Because, thats retarded. I mean you could compare Shaq to a giant black peanut m&m but why would would you do it? Is Shaq just a bald Beyonce with a goatee to you?

It seem like the only reason you bring up Dampier is to imply that somehow Isiah's genious was involved in our narrow escape from a more overpaid and less underachieving Jerome James. Please.



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11/8/2005  3:40 AM
Haha, somebody finally said it, but I dout Bonn will ever man up on this just like everything else.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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11/8/2005  6:03 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you're bringing up Steve Francis and Andre Barret, it proves that you have no appreciation for the fact that two players can underachieve while one underachieves a lot more than the other. If you're gonna view underachievement solely in black and white and resort to childish name-calling when someone else doesn't view it that way, there's nothing left to discuss.

A few things here. First, I never mentioned Steve Francis, I actually said Steve Nash. I certainly don't think I'm viewing achievements here in just black and white. If anything, I think my view is pretty dynamic compared to A is just like B except less talented and cheaper. You can relate any two players in the NBA with that sort of comparison, but it doesn't really tell you much. The best you can do with that is make a talent point-per-dollar comparison, which would mean little, since top notch players will get paid exponentially more upon their next contract, compared to mid-level players. The other thing I'd like to add is that I consider you a friend. I know we don't agree a lot of the time, but I am going to be blunt to get a point across once in a while(and you do put down certain posters a lot -- so you can't claim complete innocence on that either). So, let's be realistic right now. Are you naming Jerome James and Erick Dampier because you thought it was a good comparison? I don't see how anyone who watches the NBA looks at Jerome James and goes, "yeah... he's got the same game as Erick Dampier" Or, more likely is it that Erick Dampier was unable to be signed by Isiah (through no fault of Isiah's, IMHO) and Jerome James was signed by Isiah, so therefore you rush to JJ's defense and try to put Dampier down? That's what it looks like from here. The best I can get from a Dampier-James comparison would be stylistic, but I don't see them as playing that similar a game.
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Bonn, if some were to ask you who Shaq reminds you of, would you reply Nate Robinson with more height and less ball handling skills? Or an overpaid Travis Knight with a rap album? Because, thats retarded. I mean you could compare Shaq to a giant black peanut m&m but why would would you do it? Is Shaq just a bald Beyonce with a goatee to you?

It seem like the only reason you bring up Dampier is to imply that somehow Isiah's genious was involved in our narrow escape from a more overpaid and less underachieving Jerome James. Please.

I agree here. I like the Shaq-Beyonce comparison the best. That one is clearly the one that describes Shaq the most. Shaq's rapping skills have often made me think of Beyonce. Good call.

[Edited by - Solace on 11-08-2005 06:04 AM]
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11/8/2005  7:32 AM
Are you naming Jerome James and Erick Dampier because you thought it was a good comparison?
Not as far as skill set goes, but yes in the sense that both are underachievers (JJ just much more so). Damps has better rebounding ability. JJ in the rare occasions where he wants to (primarily in the playoffs) is probably a slightly better scorer. The only thing they have in common is that their big men who could accomplish much more than their career averages if they wanted to. Damps could probably improve them by 50%; JJ by about 150%. Damps at least comes into camp in shape, though.

you rush to JJ's defense
Who is defending JJ??? I called him a HUGE underachiever many times in this thread. I definitely don't like him and wouldn't defend him.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-08-2005 07:34 AM]
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11/8/2005  7:45 AM
Dampier is a good player should be better. He's a good defender and shot blocker and can be great on the boards. He's got big consistancy issues and when he's not involved in the offense he tends to loaf or disappear (if there is a difference).
Who is defending JJ??? I called him a HUGE underachiever many times in this thread. I definitely don't like him and wouldn't defend him.
well you liked him when Isiah signed him and repeatedly reminded us about his great playoff run and how thats the REAL Jerome JAmes and how Lrry can bring out the best in him and how he wasnt really part of the Sonic's offense. And that we NEEDED a center. Too bad. I wish you were right and I was wrong.
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11/8/2005  9:19 AM
well you liked him when Isiah signed him and repeatedly reminded us about his great playoff run and how thats the REAL Jerome JAmes and how Lrry can bring out the best in him and how he wasnt really part of the Sonic's offense. And that we NEEDED a center.
I think you have me confused with Briggs; he had much more positive things to say about James than I ever did. I never like him although I accepted him for the MLE because it's low risk to me. Regarding #s, you're mistaken again. I did say I thought his #s would be somewhere between his reg season and career playoff averages (between 5/4 and 9/5). If he were starting, I'd still keep that prediction.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-08-2005 09:23 AM]
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