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fishmike
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11/2/2005  1:41 PM
Actually, this wasn't dumb; it was more creepy than anything. Let's roll the dice with him ... if it doesn't work out, we'll just clear him off the court and put in Jerome James. Unlike Tedy Bruschi, nobody really knows how bad his heart condition is -- the whole situation is somewhat disturbing, if you ask me. There's a reason they don't show Hank Gathers' final game on ESPN Classic.
So the Bulls doctors, the NBA doctors and the Knicks doctors who ALL cleared him to play after looking specificially at his heart have no idea "how bad his heart condition is "

Wow... I would take exception to that. Thats almost as good reporting as saying Mike Fratello is the next coach.
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11/2/2005  1:50 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?


How about that he considers Brown a bad coach for the team?


I tend to agree with that. Brown is a very good coach but he's a better fit with a more veteran team that needs to learn how to break through and become a contender. Like he did with Indiana, Detroit and even Philly. He's never had much success with very young teams that are still trying to learn how to play. Plus at his age going into a 3-5 year project with his track record of coming and going this doesn't seem like the best fit.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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11/2/2005  1:50 PM
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11/2/2005  1:51 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?



How about that he considers Brown a bad coach for the team?


How about KT for Q/Nate is bad?


Your starting PF and best low post defender for a backup change of pace guard and a SG/SF with health problems. Not exactly a slam dunk for the Knicks.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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11/2/2005  1:52 PM
Your starting PF and best low post defender for a backup change of pace guard and a SG/SF with health problems. Not exactly a slam dunk for the Knicks.

Islefan what you smoking in that crack pipe?
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11/2/2005  1:52 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?



How about that he considers Brown a bad coach for the team?


How about KT for Q/Nate is bad?


How about Curry's peak potential is a first quarter stud and nothing else.


Lack of conditioning and being foul prone.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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11/2/2005  1:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?


How about that he considers Brown a bad coach for the team?


I tend to agree with that. Brown is a very good coach but he's a better fit with a more veteran team that needs to learn how to break through and become a contender. Like he did with Indiana, Detroit and even Philly. He's never had much success with very young teams that are still trying to learn how to play. Plus at his age going into a 3-5 year project with his track record of coming and going this doesn't seem like the best fit.

Brown has been quoted as saying that the only veteran team that he has taken over is Detroit. Even Philly had a worse record than the Knicks did last year.

So, the BEST teaching coach in the NBA is not good for this relatively young team?
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11/2/2005  1:59 PM
Brown has been quoted as saying that the only veteran team that he has taken over is Detroit. Even Philly had a worse record than the Knicks did last year.

So, the BEST teaching coach in the NBA is not good for this relatively young team?
Hard to argue with THAT statement.

On a side note... Isles, who is a better pick for the Knicks? You always dodge that question. Who would you have drafted
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11/2/2005  2:07 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

If you get past the things he says just to be funny, what exactly was inaccurate with what he said?

how about that he considers Frye a C instead of PF?


How about that he considers Brown a bad coach for the team?


I tend to agree with that. Brown is a very good coach but he's a better fit with a more veteran team that needs to learn how to break through and become a contender. Like he did with Indiana, Detroit and even Philly. He's never had much success with very young teams that are still trying to learn how to play. Plus at his age going into a 3-5 year project with his track record of coming and going this doesn't seem like the best fit.

Brown has been quoted as saying that the only veteran team that he has taken over is Detroit. Even Philly had a worse record than the Knicks did last year.

So, the BEST teaching coach in the NBA is not good for this relatively young team?


I suppose his Pacers team was as young and inexperienced as this team or the Clippers team that he coached.

The best teaching coach? Is that the same as being the best at developing young talent which he most certainly isn't.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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11/2/2005  2:08 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Brown has been quoted as saying that the only veteran team that he has taken over is Detroit. Even Philly had a worse record than the Knicks did last year.

So, the BEST teaching coach in the NBA is not good for this relatively young team?
Hard to argue with THAT statement.

On a side note... Isles, who is a better pick for the Knicks? You always dodge that question. Who would you have drafted

At #8? I thought I answered that before but Granger, Bynum and Green to start.
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11/2/2005  2:11 PM
this is getting a little out of hand.

we bring in larry brown and it's being questioned.

you want to question isiah? fine.
you want to question his player moves? fine.
but to question a coach that is universally considered, by people in the NBA, to be one of, if not, THE best coach in the league seems a little crazy.

i don't get that. our players are really a group of cast-offs. that's why we have them. so you can debate that till the cows come home but lb is the best out there and who has a HISTORY of coming to teams that stink and making them good. that sounds like a coach this team needs.
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11/2/2005  2:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:


How about KT for Q/Nate is bad?


Your starting PF and best low post defender for a backup change of pace guard and a SG/SF with health problems. Not exactly a slam dunk for the Knicks.


em... Kurt Thomas is 33 and can't jump. The Knicks are rebuilding and got a young power wing in Q (25yrs) and a young change of pace backup PG (Nate - 21yrs) who addresses a major need since the Knicks were -12ppg when Marbury left the court last season. C
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11/2/2005  2:14 PM
so one guy that couldnt make it through a 30+ game college season without breaking down and 2 HS kids. Bynum didnt even dominate HS ball and Gerald Green could just as easily be the next Deshawn Stevenson as Channing Frye is the next Jermaine Oneil.

Seeing as how Isiah had the eye to pick out TMac I would trust his judgement on passing on Green. All the guys you mentioned have the same or more question marks at 8 that Frye has. Sorry
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11/2/2005  2:15 PM
I like how when Nate when to Pho he was a great pick and the sleeper of the draft. He goes to NY and he's undersized and out of control
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11/2/2005  2:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

this is getting a little out of hand.

we bring in larry brown and it's being questioned.

you want to question isiah? fine.
you want to question his player moves? fine.
but to question a coach that is universally considered, by people in the NBA, to be one of, if not, THE best coach in the league seems a little crazy.

i don't get that. our players are really a group of cast-offs. that's why we have them. so you can debate that till the cows come home but lb is the best out there and who has a HISTORY of coming to teams that stink and making them good. that sounds like a coach this team needs.

I think you can question whether Brown is the right coach for this team more than you question the roster moves made by Isiah. It's true that Brown doesn't like to play a lot of youth and he already seems inclined to not play the young guys until Dec/Jan. It seemed like Zeke was rebuilding and the addition of Brown may or may not help the process. I am optimistic that Brown will work, but I can certainly understand being pessimistic right now.

But questioning trading KT for Q and Nate is stupid. Questioning Eddy Curry's heart condition is irresponsible when a writer clearly doesn't have a handle on the facts. Saying Frye is going to be a bust and Charlie Villenueva is going to be a star before either have played a game is pretty dumb too. I'd take Frye's drive and tenacity and talent over Charlie's any day of the week. But that's what sports writing is about: saying stupid, inflammatory things to incite a reaction. Of course, funnily enough, Simmons takes a Boston Red Sox sports writer to task for writing inflammatory things about Theo Epstein in another column today, so apparently it hurts Bill when it's about his home team.

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11/2/2005  2:16 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I like how when Nate when to Pho he was a great pick and the sleeper of the draft. He goes to NY and he's undersized and out of control

just like how LB is the best coach in the league but was a stupid signing by isiah.
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11/2/2005  2:17 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:


How about KT for Q/Nate is bad?


Your starting PF and best low post defender for a backup change of pace guard and a SG/SF with health problems. Not exactly a slam dunk for the Knicks.


em... Kurt Thomas is 33 and can't jump. The Knicks are rebuilding and got a young power wing in Q (25yrs) and a young change of pace backup PG (Nate - 21yrs) who addresses a major need since the Knicks were -12ppg when Marbury left the court last season. C


Yeah, I'm sure Knicks' opponents are so relieved that they don't have game plan for KT's lethally quick "J" or the equally ferocious two-handed power layup. Did I forget to mention the shot-altering scowl that never failed to menace the competition? We lost so much.
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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11/2/2005  2:19 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

It's true that Brown doesn't like to play a lot of youth and he already seems inclined to not play the young guys until Dec/Jan.

who doesn't he like to play?

darko?

then explain tayshaun prince? he got him his 2nd year and he seemed to be a KEY part of that lineup.

how about allen iverson? wasn't he a 2nd year player when LB got him? he seemed to give him the ball and let him run with it.

oh, and what about that entire clippers team? a bunch of 3-4 year players.

i don't get the argument here. you think LB took this job thinking he was going to play his "vets" like penny, malik, and mo?
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11/2/2005  2:21 PM
Frye is Horace Grant. Serviceable and could play for some time. He is excellent type of player for Curry.

Who cares how, only that the pieces are coming together.

But lets get it straight, its gonna be a rough stretch for a long time.

I think writers pick extreme views to gather more readers. WE fans tend to see things more from a rose colored viewpoint. Logical descriptions won't make for a good article.

Isles is a good poster that way, he takes the extreme view and runs with it.
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11/2/2005  2:22 PM
Since everyone is worried about Curry's heart, he should use the fear to his advantage during the game--fake a seizure here and there, keep the other team guessing.
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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