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rvhoss
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11/1/2005  1:43 PM
Honestly, these are all realistic possibilities.

Which, for some reason, today I am fully prepared to accept during the season.

We are rebuilding.

My favorite though was the bold, you really had a good one this time Isles (no joke, I'm LMAO):
Posted by islesfan:

He's not even mixing it with water. It's going straight up his nose in the powder form.

Hater-aid would be something like:

Curry has major heart problems
Marbury can't adjust to not having the ball and clashes with LB
Frye is too soft to play in the middle
Nate is really an out of control 5'7 SG
Lee can't get any playing time with all the veteran PF's on the team
Ariza's basketball skills haven't improved
Jerome is as big of a bust as everybody thinks he is going to be
Penny, Mo T and Rose are still on the team
AD decides he doesn't want to spend the holidays away from his family
LB's act gets old even quicker around this questionable bunch
Crawford continues to hoist up 5 bad shots a game and isn't the PG that LB wants him to be
They miss the playoffs and watch the Bulls win the lottery with their pick while the Spurs have the best record in the league.

no doubt
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djsunyc
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11/1/2005  1:53 PM
is it too much to ask a $120 mil team to make the playoffs?

less than .500 would be disastrous.
not making the playoffs would be dissapointing.
not playing the young'n's would be downright dispicable.

this team will probably win something in the low 40's. and it should make the 6-8th seed.

if they don't, then isiah's job needs to be seriously re-evaluated.
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11/1/2005  2:30 PM
In looking at the Knicks today I see two teams.

One is full of young guys with promise: Curry, Ariza, Frye, Lee, Robinson.

The other is the same type of Knicks team we've had since Patrick left - older, overpaid, mediocre (no, I don't mean to include Marbury in this group).

If the Knicks are "rebuilding" they'd play the younger guys and get them experience, win or lose.

If the Knicks are making a run at the championship, they'd play the more experienced guys.

Which is it? I don't think they can do both of these things.
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11/1/2005  2:41 PM
43 wins. We start off 4-1 or 3-2 and the fickle fans of NY say we are the champs and then we slide a little and they say we gotto tank. I think it will be a major up and down season and Larry is going to stick with who plays smart and who plays GOOD on defense. Not plays HARD but who actually plays GOOD. If the kids don't play it would be a tragedy in any case scenario, and the announcers will still be forced to sugarcoat it by saying "The Knicks are being terrific at developing these guys" in their 5 minutes of play. Tragic. But I'm thinking Frye and Ariza get playing time off the bat, and Lee sees early pine time, and gets a little bit more minutes later in the season, as he learns to play smarter. I really don't see how Rose can get a lot of playing time. You gotto love his heart and hustle, but everyone else on the team is simply better. I am sure Larry Brown knows this.
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11/1/2005  2:43 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

is it too much to ask a $120 mil team to make the playoffs?

less than .500 would be disastrous.
not making the playoffs would be dissapointing.
not playing the young'n's would be downright dispicable.

this team will probably win something in the low 40's. and it should make the 6-8th seed.

if they don't, then isiah's job needs to be seriously re-evaluated.


No it's not. I am sick of the losing. One more 33 - 38 win season, and UK is going to hear the rage of Allanfan20.
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11/1/2005  2:50 PM
experts pick knicks to win 41.5 games this year

http://www.vegasinsider.com/u/futures/NBA_1276.cfm

these guys (that set lines) do a pretty outstanding job- how, I'll never know.

personally, I think this team could win realistically anywhere from 35 to 45 games- as such, you would think I should bet the under, but...
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11/1/2005  2:56 PM
while I'm going to stick with my original proclamation of 50 (unwavering), realistically (yes, I know) I'd have to say 47 wins.

Basically we win what the baby bulls won last year...while 45 wins won the atlantic last year (celtics) I think the nets and knicks will finish with the same record.

I expect us to beat up on the teams we are supposed to beat up on...but part of larry's teachings is to get better over time, learn from your mistakes, so I don't see the knicks taking down any big dogs until the playoffs or very near the playoffs.

Still pretty optimistic, but the preseason, isles and fishy have got me down.

no some doubts.
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islesfan
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11/1/2005  2:58 PM
Posted by franco12:

experts pick knicks to win 41.5 games this year

http://www.vegasinsider.com/u/futures/NBA_1276.cfm

these guys (that set lines) do a pretty outstanding job- how, I'll never know.

personally, I think this team could win realistically anywhere from 35 to 45 games- as such, you would think I should bet the under, but...


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11/1/2005  2:59 PM
Isles, think we'll beat the expansion Grizzles all time low of 7 wins in a season?
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11/1/2005  3:11 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

is it too much to ask a $120 mil team to make the playoffs?
It's a poor question. There's no relation in the NBA between payroll and wins.
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11/1/2005  3:15 PM
Posted by Solace:

Isles, think we'll beat the expansion Grizzles all time low of 7 wins in a season?


Let's see:

LB is worth 3 wins
Marbury is worth 2 wins
The expiring contracts is worth 1 win
The rest of this team put together might be worth a win

It's gonna be close Solace.
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11/1/2005  3:15 PM
Its not a question but a request.

If its a question, then the good folk whom post here know answer, but just can't handle the truth!
islesfan
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11/1/2005  3:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

is it too much to ask a $120 mil team to make the playoffs?
It's a poor question. There's no relation in the NBA between payroll and wins.


The Knicks disproved that theory all by themselves.
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11/1/2005  3:16 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

is it too much to ask a $120 mil team to make the playoffs?
It's a poor question. There's no relation in the NBA between payroll and wins.


i think it's a good question. it's an indication of a very poorly managed team to have that kind of a payroll and fail. just like it's the mark of a fanatastically managed team for the spurs to be winning championships and staying under the cap.
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11/1/2005  3:25 PM
Didn't we jsut fire our salary cap expert the other day??

Did he go nuts on the job? Did we underpay him and he took home a computer?

Was he threatening to tell Dolan the truth? Maybe Jimbo does not really know he paid 60million in taxes? Doe he realize that with taxes our total salary expense is ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS! THAT IS DOUBLE OF WHAT SAN ANTIONIO PAYED OUT LAST SEASON FOR THE BLING!

DJ, yeah, its freaking embarrasing to payout that much and not have the right to get blown out in the first round! Im gonna put down the kool aid and proclaim with DJ that we should at least expect to make the playoffs!

The question need not be taken apart, just simply: Is it too much to ask for? and some of you think it is!
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11/1/2005  4:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:

He's not even mixing it with water. It's going straight up his nose in the powder form.

Hater-aid would be something like:

Curry has major heart problems
Marbury can't adjust to not having the ball and clashes with LB
Frye is too soft to play in the middle
Nate is really an out of control 5'7 SG
Lee can't get any playing time with all the veteran PF's on the team
Ariza's basketball skills haven't improved
Jerome is as big of a bust as everybody thinks he is going to be
Penny, Mo T and Rose are still on the team
AD decides he doesn't want to spend the holidays away from his family
LB's act gets old even quicker around this questionable bunch
Crawford continues to hoist up 5 bad shots a game and isn't the PG that LB wants him to be
They miss the playoffs and watch the Bulls win the lottery with their pick while the Spurs have the best record in the league.


Wow im impressed Isles you named a worst case senario and didn't even have Isiahs name in the whole post. You might actually gain some credibility as a poster.

He's not even mixing it with water. It's going straight up his nose in the powder form.

Now thats funny.

Anyway the thing that matters more than wins and losses and everything else is the development of Eddie Curry & Fyre. Ariza turning into a defensive disrupter, would be huge to.
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12/16/2005  4:04 PM
This seems to be the main predictions thread from November 1, 2005.

More from an earlier thread here: http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=12112
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12/16/2005  4:49 PM
Posted by islesfan:

He's not even mixing it with water. It's going straight up his nose in the powder form.

Hater-aid would be something like:

Curry has major heart problems
Marbury can't adjust to not having the ball and clashes with LB
Frye is too soft to play in the middle
Nate is really an out of control 5'7 SG
Lee can't get any playing time with all the veteran PF's on the team
Ariza's basketball skills haven't improved
Jerome is as big of a bust as everybody thinks he is going to be
Penny, Mo T and Rose are still on the team
AD decides he doesn't want to spend the holidays away from his family
LB's act gets old even quicker around this questionable bunch
Crawford continues to hoist up 5 bad shots a game and isn't the PG that LB wants him to be
They miss the playoffs and watch the Bulls win the lottery with their pick while the Spurs have the best record in the league.

It's amazing how close my Hater-Aid scenario is to reality so far.
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12/16/2005  4:54 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

is it too much to ask a $120 mil team to make the playoffs?
It's a poor question. There's no relation in the NBA between payroll and wins.


i think it's a good question. it's an indication of a very poorly managed team to have that kind of a payroll and fail. just like it's the mark of a fanatastically managed team for the spurs to be winning championships and staying under the cap.

True, but in the Knicks case, so much of that $120 million isn't even playing that it's misleading. Some of it goes to JYD, $20 million to Houston, $15 to AD, $14 to Penny. That's well over $50 million, more like $57 million that doesn't even suit up for this team.
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