Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Kobe has the ball most of the game too, and has NEVER avg 8 assists.
Allen Iverson has also NEVER done it but has come close in 2 seasons.
Michael Jordan avged 8 assists once in his career.
Walt Clyde Frazier NEVER avged 8 assists a game.
If it was as easy as you and others would like to make it seem, wouldn't more poeple do it? Certainly there are others who have the ball often. FYI, all of the examples I used are Hall of Fame players btw, so I would say no, even if you have the ball in your hand alot, it is not easy to pick up 8 assists and Steph has a career avg of 8 not one or two seasons, thats every damn season except his rookie season (where he was close) and a season where he was injured and missed a portion of it (he was close there too). Its not an easy thing to do.
I agree, he is not the passer Kidd and Nash are, but your logic for downplaying his passing/assist ability is flawed. It isn't just because he has the ball, he is a good playmaker.
So your saying that Steph is an elite playmaker? Im not hating here, just can't believe that he is on the same page as Kidd and Nash in terms of ball movement? Nobody said Kobe and AI are good playmakers. they are deemed selfish and take way many shots, but forget anyone else, the question might be is STeph a better scorer or playmaker?
I watch plenty of games, and its always amazing how he gets some stats. I do note that he plays a lot of garbage minutes where he can rack up another 5-6 points easy to keep his average up. ALmost seems that he does play for stats SOME of the time. That does not amount to quality.
In a ball movement system like Red Holzman used to run there would be may passes made by all members of the team.
Clyde Had 19 assists and 33pts in game 7 1970. Thats quality assists in a big game. Don't even compare Clyde to Steph! Two rings, should have 2 finals MVP's, an allstar MVP and many years 1st team all Defensive team. Steph is more talanted but its results. Clyde didn't make his mates better? Nash? Kidd? Steph? AI? Kobe? Im not saying Steph is not great, he just is not great at everyting, and I don't care what the stats say.
Way to ignore everything I said.
I VERY CLEARLY STATED
I agree, he is not the passer Kidd and Nash are, but...he is a good playmaker.
Why are responding as if I said he is equal to them in terms of ball movement/play making/passing?
I said he is a good playmaker, and I believe that should be obvious if you watch Knick games.
I also said dominating the ball does not make it easy to get 8 assists per game, that was my response to your point, and I tried to show some proof of that, using Hall of Fame players (admittedly Clyde wasn't used because he dominated the ball, but because he was a hall of fame PG). Few players avg 8 assists over the course of a season, much less over the course of a career, if it were as easy as you say, wouldn't more players do it? Wouldn't more HOF players do it?
Is he an elite playmaker if Kid and Nash (or for arguments sake 3 or 4 PG's) are the only ones better than him? I would say yes. I would say he has had very little to work with throughout the course of his career and this year he has some good weapons at his disposal although with a new coach and system it is difficult to predict how that will affect his playmaking and assist numbers.
i think he will shine this year though, and more importantly, we will win.
[Edited by - killa4luv on 10-28-2005 1:28 PM]
