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islesfan
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Who would you rather have at this point?
Frey
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rvhoss
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10/27/2005  1:35 PM
btw...he scored on that I think, and it was like a magic shot. up and in no worries.

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10/27/2005  1:35 PM
who would I pick, a near 7 footer who could start at PF or an awesome SF? I think I'd go with the 7 footer no matter how good the SF is, because in the NBA, you have to go with size if the talent levels are nearly equal.

The thing with Granger is - he was SERIOUSLY injured in college and that scared off a lot of NBA teams. Period.

but that hopefully is in the past and now i'd go with Frye still - because Eddy Curry and Jerome James can go down at any moment. (Despite the fact we need an awesome SF like granger)
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10/27/2005  1:37 PM
you remind me of one of my fraternity brothers, he's the same, but we love him because he's ours

I understand

are you going to the opening night get together?

it'd be nice to put a face with the attitude...err, I mean username.

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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by rvhoss:

you're not really a nice person are you islesfan?

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I'm an absolute sweetheart, why do you ask?


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rvhoss
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10/27/2005  1:40 PM
whoever this frey guy is, he's getting a ton of votes.

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10/27/2005  1:41 PM
I can see Frye's early development as somewhat Camby-esque. As long as he proves moer durable, he'll make a solid contribution this year.
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10/27/2005  1:43 PM
whoever this frey guy is, he's getting a ton of votes.

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10/27/2005  1:46 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

whoever this frey guy is, he's getting a ton of votes.

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Which proves how evil I siah really is. Why not just go out and bring in Frye who, in my opinion, is waaay more polished?
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10/27/2005  1:46 PM
I was suprised how much bigger he looks...I figured he'd be a skinny kid, but he's bulking up and really working the offensive end...him and curry were unstoppable against the sixers.

I'd like to see how LB uses them against the top teams in the league.

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Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

I can see Frye's early development as somewhat Camby-esque. As long as he proves moer durable, he'll make a solid contribution this year.


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10/27/2005  1:52 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

you remind me of one of my fraternity brothers, he's the same, but we love him because he's ours

I understand

are you going to the opening night get together?

it'd be nice to put a face with the attitude...err, I mean username.

no doubt
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by rvhoss:

you're not really a nice person are you islesfan?

no doubt


I'm an absolute sweetheart, why do you ask?



I said I was only going if I get to sit next to you and Bonnie.
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rvhoss
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10/27/2005  1:53 PM
don't you have to be 21 to get in?

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islesfan
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10/27/2005  2:00 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

don't you have to be 21 to get in?

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Just have Isiah wear a long overcoat that night to sneak you in. You might have to go a little further up his butt but the coat should hide you. If not, we'll see you at one of these get togethers in another 18 years. Or when we finally get out from under the Isiah Years.
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10/27/2005  2:02 PM
I would be perfectly happy with either to be honest.

Frye has impressed me. I figured he would be good. Not great by any stretch but good. Maybe a fair comparison would be like a Raef (when he was with Denver). Kind of guy that will give you some blocks every night and some very good outside shooting, but not much down low and no back to the basket game. I'm definatly upgrading my expectations as its clear to me that Frye has a very developed offensive game and can score from most anywhere in a variety of ways. He's also bigger than I thought. He's got good upperbody strength and his long arms are very disruptive. He even got stuck on igi the other night and used his length to stay in front of him and forced a bad shot.

Granger was one of my first choices with our pick. I liked the idea of Bynum and loved Ike Diogu and Granger as well. Also Gerald Green. I wont go back on any of those picks, especially Ike who I think would be like putting a 21 year old Antonio Davis next to Curry RIGHT NOW.

Bottom line is this was a good deep draft IMO and we did good with all our picks. Frye isnt a good defensive rebounder (yet) but his outside scoring and good range on the jumper makes him a very nice compliment to Curry long term, at least on the offensive side of the ball.
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10/27/2005  2:10 PM
Granger is the better player, but Channing is no slouch and makes a lot of sense for us--it wouldve been nice if granger slipped to 21 and nate slipped to 30, but thats to bad.

i still would take Bynum 100/100 times:>)
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10/27/2005  2:16 PM
TODAY we need a sf who can shoot. THEN we had TT for one year until Reezy could develope. THEN we had Herb and were short. NOW we have Curry and used TT int that trade. NOW we have larry and we might be winning sooner than later.

So if we can undo the draft based on knowing the future, and a a trade or two, then Granger might be a better fit for NOW.

Hind sight is so easy.
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10/27/2005  2:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Granger is the better player, but Channing is no slouch and makes a lot of sense for us--it wouldve been nice if granger slipped to 21 and nate slipped to 30, but thats to bad.

i still would take Bynum 100/100 times:>)
Granger had serious college injuries and knee surgery - that's why he fell. Many GMs were scared.
Bynum - we need help now, not 5 years from now.
Ike Diogu - cant remember plays in GSW and is injured. And undersized. We already had Sweets.
Gerald Green - good pick, but need help now, also soft label. Looked like an amazing T-mac high school clone though.
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10/27/2005  2:17 PM
Posted by Nalod:

TODAY we need a sf who can shoot. THEN we had TT for one year until Reezy could develope. THEN we had Herb and were short. NOW we have Curry and used TT int that trade. NOW we have larry and we might be winning sooner than later.

So if we can undo the draft based on knowing the future, and a a trade or two, then Granger might be a better fit for NOW.

Hind sight is so easy.
We still need a young, tall PF. Antonio Davis is only here for one year and Malik Rose and MoT arent the answers. Frye has a year to get ready to step into the starting PF spot.
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10/27/2005  2:31 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I finally got to watch my first knick game of the year and I was IMPRESSED with frye...he came in and basically got any shot he wanted, played tough defense and is still a green Rookie (loved the block when he grabbed the rim and then proclaimed "I didn't grab the rim")

He's gonna be a monster in the Camby sense, but with a much more polished offensive game.

The pacers used artest off the bench, but that experiment failed, so Granger may be a nice pickup (the pacers are as good at picking up talent as zeke) but me thinks frye is going to make an impact this year and year's to come.



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[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-27-2005 1:35 PM]

the thing about Fyre and Granger is that we needed a Center or F/C more so than a SF, we had Tim and Ariza in the fold.

I thought Danny would have went to Raptors, but they passed on him for CV3 and my boy Joey Graham.
the thing with Fyre is that some say he is soft playing in the conference he did in college
with Granger, he is somewhat injury proned, but a phenomial athlete. if they both get the same amount of playing time, i would say they are even but we drafted in terms of needs

Aside from that imagine this scenario, if Granger is like Ron Artest and Fyre is like Tim Duncan

which one would you prefer
of if Granger is like James Posey and Fyre like Rasheed Wallace, which one would we rather

I didn't really like Fyre in the beginning, but as i foundf out we were going to draft him, i accepted the fact and he has done reall well

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10/27/2005  3:07 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Reports from Indiana make it seem as if Granger is like the 2nd coming of Ron Artest...

I'm not sure how much of p/t he'll get this season behind Jackson and Artest (should still manage 20+mpg).

It's tough to say what kind of upside he'll have--- Caron Butler looked like the steal of the draft a few years ago... and thus far he's been an average starting SF in the NBA.

Frye looks like he'll be at least an NBA starter... he has mobility and offensive skills that most NBA bigmen lack.

I know it is off the poll's question but isn't that sad. I mean Butler really did look like the steal of that draft. But you know they did say that he didn't have that much of an upside compared to others, he was an average athlete who was more mature than the rest of his peers.


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10/27/2005  3:23 PM
I know it is off the poll's question but isn't that sad. I mean Butler really did look like the steal of that draft

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10/27/2005  3:45 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by rvhoss:

well, we know who you would vote for...

interesting you made the typo TWICE.

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Yeah, a couple of typos on a quickly posted poll while at work is really a big deal. I am glad that you got your head out of Isiah's butt long enough to notice though.

You'd rather act defensively than just delete and repost without the distraction of your error. Interesting.
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