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s3231
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10/26/2005  3:14 PM
Wow, this definitely took me by surprise. My first reaction is that the Bucks gave up a little too much. Mason is a good player and when you add a first round pick to that (that will probably be top 20), that makes up for a pretty good deal for the Hornets. I like that the Bucks don't have to put all of the pressure on Bogut right now though. This will allow Bogut to develop at his own pace and will let him take over when he is ready. In that regard, that could be very well be more than good reason for the Bucks to have pulled the trigger on this deal. I don't want to fail to mention that this deal also makes them a better team right now. Still, I can't help but wonder what they would have been able to get with Mason and that pick when a firesale comes along.

Right now, this looks like a deal that can benefit both teams.



[Edited by - s3231 on 10-26-2005 3:39 PM]
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10/26/2005  3:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

this isnt any lottery team , imho. tell me how many clubs have their combination of frontcourt and backcourts?

I know one, The knicks
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10/26/2005  3:37 PM
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The Bucs just spent a hell of a lot of money to re-sign Redd, and they also paid a hefty price on Simmons...They are thinking big right now. Overall, they will still be a sorry team..
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10/26/2005  3:39 PM
I think one thing is certain, the East just got tougher.
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10/26/2005  3:44 PM
Posted by s3231:

Wow, this definitely took me by surprise. My first reaction is that the Bucks gave up a little too much. Mason is a good player and when you add a first round pick to that (that will probably be top 20), that makes up for a pretty good deal for the Hornets. I like that the Bucks don't have to put all of the pressure on Bogut right now though. This will allow Bogut to develop at his own pace and will let him take over when he is ready. In that regard, that could be very well be more than good reason for the Bucks to have pulled the trigger on this deal. I don't want to fail to mention that this deal also makes them a better team right now. Still, I can't help but wonder what they would have been able to get with Mason and that pick when a firesale comes along.

Right now, this looks like a deal that can benefit both teams.



[Edited by - s3231 on 10-26-2005 3:39 PM]


The reason they made the trade was because you need frontcourt depth to win. Not because Bogut isn't ready. With just Bogut, joe emith and gadzuric they were going to get abused inside and on the boards. Magliore also gives them a little scoring inside
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10/26/2005  3:44 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by diderotn:

The Bucs just spent a hell of a lot of money to re-sign Redd, and they also paid a hefty price on Simmons...They are thinking big right now. Overall, they will still be a sorry team..
truth. or they could surprise.


The team that will shock to the downside is Miami. If they miss the playoffs I wouldnt be shocked about it, after reviewing them, now they could be a player, but they arent championship material as constituted, in fact, they might not be anywhere near advertised.
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10/26/2005  3:46 PM
When you get the #1 pick in the draft whom everyone was proclaiming to be thee most NBA ready of all the players in the draft, and he can't beat out a guy like Gadzuric for a starting spot, and plays poorly in summer league and preseason, and then you trade for a 28 year old Center to start............................well it says very bad things about that player.

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10/26/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by diderotn:

The Bucs just spent a hell of a lot of money to re-sign Redd, and they also paid a hefty price on Simmons...They are thinking big right now. Overall, they will still be a sorry team..
truth. or they could surprise.


The team that will shock to the downside is Miami. If they miss the playoffs I wouldnt be shocked about it, after reviewing them, now they could be a player, but they arent championship material as constituted, in fact, they might not be anywhere near advertised.


no chance in hell Miami misses the playoffs. they won't win it all because Shaq will break down but they will be one of the best regular season teams. top 4 seed

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 10-26-2005 3:48 PM]
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10/26/2005  3:49 PM
To me this trade makes no sense....

I think they could have gotten more than Mason for Mags. Anyway....Why do the Bucks need Mags? They have Dan Gadzuric and Bogut. So now they have 3 centers? I really don't understand the point.

No have Nachbar, and Rasual Butler already.....they also have Snyder....all three of these dudes are similiar to Mason.

This trade is pure stupidness.
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10/26/2005  3:52 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by s3231:

Wow, this definitely took me by surprise. My first reaction is that the Bucks gave up a little too much. Mason is a good player and when you add a first round pick to that (that will probably be top 20), that makes up for a pretty good deal for the Hornets. I like that the Bucks don't have to put all of the pressure on Bogut right now though. This will allow Bogut to develop at his own pace and will let him take over when he is ready. In that regard, that could be very well be more than good reason for the Bucks to have pulled the trigger on this deal. I don't want to fail to mention that this deal also makes them a better team right now. Still, I can't help but wonder what they would have been able to get with Mason and that pick when a firesale comes along.

Right now, this looks like a deal that can benefit both teams.



[Edited by - s3231 on 10-26-2005 3:39 PM]


The reason they made the trade was because you need frontcourt depth to win. Not because Bogut isn't ready. With just Bogut, joe emith and gadzuric they were going to get abused inside and on the boards. Magliore also gives them a little scoring inside

I realize that part of the reasoning behind this deal was to win now. However, I also think some of the reasoning behind this deal was to allow Bogut all the time he needs to develop. If this trade wasn't made, Bogut starts and likely plays 30 + mpg, that is a lot to ask for from a rookie. I'm not saying nor did I every say that I think the Buck don't think Bogut is ready, but, I do think they don't want to force minutes upon him. With Magloire, they aren't forced to play Bogut that many minutes and have a better shot at winning now which is also one of their goals.


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10/26/2005  3:53 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

To me this trade makes no sense....

I think they could have gotten more than Mason for Mags. Anyway....Why do the Bucks need Mags? They have Dan Gadzuric and Bogut. So now they have 3 centers? I really don't understand the point.

No have Nachbar, and Rasual Butler already.....they also have Snyder....all three of these dudes are similiar to Mason.

This trade is pure stupidness.
Bogut isn't ready and gadzuric was never much of a center.

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10/26/2005  3:57 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by EnySpree:

To me this trade makes no sense....

I think they could have gotten more than Mason for Mags. Anyway....Why do the Bucks need Mags? They have Dan Gadzuric and Bogut. So now they have 3 centers? I really don't understand the point.

No have Nachbar, and Rasual Butler already.....they also have Snyder....all three of these dudes are similiar to Mason.

This trade is pure stupidness.
Bogut isn't ready and gadzuric was never much of a center.


Even if that is the case why do this trade? Who are they gonna start? Bogut and Mags together? Start all three centers together?

They have TJ Ford and Mo Williams and then Redd and Simmons.....

I dunno......it's not like both teams were in desperate need for those players. It doesn't make sense.
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10/26/2005  4:01 PM
Posted by s3231:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by s3231:

Wow, this definitely took me by surprise. My first reaction is that the Bucks gave up a little too much. Mason is a good player and when you add a first round pick to that (that will probably be top 20), that makes up for a pretty good deal for the Hornets. I like that the Bucks don't have to put all of the pressure on Bogut right now though. This will allow Bogut to develop at his own pace and will let him take over when he is ready. In that regard, that could be very well be more than good reason for the Bucks to have pulled the trigger on this deal. I don't want to fail to mention that this deal also makes them a better team right now. Still, I can't help but wonder what they would have been able to get with Mason and that pick when a firesale comes along.

Right now, this looks like a deal that can benefit both teams.



[Edited by - s3231 on 10-26-2005 3:39 PM]


The reason they made the trade was because you need frontcourt depth to win. Not because Bogut isn't ready. With just Bogut, joe emith and gadzuric they were going to get abused inside and on the boards. Magliore also gives them a little scoring inside

I realize that part of the reasoning behind this deal was to win now. However, I also think some of the reasoning behind this deal was to allow Bogut all the time he needs to develop. If this trade wasn't made, Bogut starts and likely plays 30 + mpg, that is a lot to ask for from a rookie. I'm not saying nor did I every say that I think the Buck don't think Bogut is ready, but, I do think they don't want to force minutes upon him. With Magloire, they aren't forced to play Bogut that many minutes and have a better shot at winning now which is also one of their goals.


good post. I hear what ur saying. They could start Bogut and lose as he goes through an adjustment period. With Magloire they can try to win as Bogut developes

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 10-26-2005 5:08 PM]
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10/26/2005  4:01 PM
I mean Chicago probably could have given Deng and another decent young big man like Songala or even Sweets cuz they need a center.

They could have cleaned up on Mags. New Orleans needs real power fwd not another swing man......now they need a center.
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10/26/2005  4:04 PM
I think Milwaukee was a playoff team and this makes them deeper.

IF TJ can stay on the floor they are looking good.

Not every thing revolves around the knicks! THey look alot like us.

I would not base any decision on Bogut based on preseason. WE over value our guys but undervalue other teams.

Bogut has the mobility to play at the PF also. And like the knicks, I would look for them to put it together with Bogut later in the season.

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10/26/2005  4:05 PM
Briggs, this is where it becomes apparent that you are in love with every other team but the Knicks. Bogut was drafted over M. Williams. For the ready reason HE WAS THE MOST READY FOR THE NBA. This is laughable, he doesn't have the type of upside as others but was supposely ready for the NBA. Just check out your own posts about going Bogut over others.
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10/26/2005  4:08 PM
Enyspree, You are failing to realize their need for a rebounder and toughness that smith & gadz and a rookie won't bring. they haave plenty of guard scoring. Its a good trade for both teams
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10/26/2005  4:19 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Enyspree, You are failing to realize their need for a rebounder and toughness that smith & gadz and a rookie won't bring. they haave plenty of guard scoring. Its a good trade for both teams

Wait a minute are we now downsizing Bogut's expectations? Number one picks do not need help. They should start right away. Howard started, LBJ started, Ming started, Brown didn't start, Martin started. These are your last 5 #1 picks overrall. Bogut is now in the company of Brown? Is that were we are going? Because that is bad indicator right there I tell you right now. Number 1 picks are in a class by the themselves. They shouldn't take a year or 2 to get right. They should be better than your Gadzuric. If that's the case what the point in drafting him?


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10/26/2005  4:19 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Briggs, this is where it becomes apparent that you are in love with every other team but the Knicks. Bogut was drafted over M. Williams. For the ready reason HE WAS THE MOST READY FOR THE NBA. This is laughable, he doesn't have the type of upside as others but was supposely ready for the NBA. Just check out your own posts about going Bogut over others.


I think Briggs also fails to realize REALITY when he says the Heat might not make the playoffs. I don't care if Shaq is playing on one leg they will make the playoffs. They still have Dwayne Wade and in the NBA thats more than enough. I would be MORE then surprised if the Heat were anything lower then a 4 seed come playoff time.
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10/26/2005  4:20 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Briggs, this is where it becomes apparent that you are in love with every other team but the Knicks. Bogut was drafted over M. Williams. For the ready reason HE WAS THE MOST READY FOR THE NBA. This is laughable, he doesn't have the type of upside as others but was supposely ready for the NBA. Just check out your own posts about going Bogut over others.


what does bogut going #1 have to do with me? 90%+ of NBA teams wouldve taken Bogut #1 and for good reason. Im sure they figured they could get close to a double double from Bogut in season 1, but that can be from either 4 or 5 and or off the bench.
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