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PresIke
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10/23/2005  10:22 PM
Posted by MaRbUrYiSaKnIcK:

at Bos - They are a young team, we are a young team... pretty even
vs Wash - They suck now
vs GS - Sleeper ...Dunleavy is a Darco
at Port - Gonna suck in beginning
at GS - sleepers are still in hibernation
at Sac - Oh man... I hate Bibby's team...We better win
at Utah - Deron Williams vs Nate the Great
at Lakers - LARRY VS PHIL pretty even team
at Denver - Carmelo is gaining weight
vs Port - Zach Randolph gets injured... Jerome James
at Cha - Channing Frye vs Emeka Okafor
vs Phili - Ouch.. that preseason game was ugly
at Mia - Too many offensive players, too many superstars
vs Chi - ROOKS VS SOPHOMORES

Why does Washington suck? Larry Hughes is nice, but he ain't a superstar and Kwame did nothing for them last season. Caron Butler and Antonio Daniels and Chucky Atkins are all rotation players, and allows Arenas to move to the 2 guard. So they may have lost a star, but got deeper. Most writers have them rated higher than us.

Mello may be heavier, but the Nuggets are a contender in the West, according to many experts. They finished strong last year too.

And Miami, despite these potential problems, are better than us, especially since we play them on the road.


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tomverve
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10/23/2005  10:38 PM
You're right Pres, that schedule certainly is not 'cake.' It's not disasterous or impossible, yes, it could be tougher. But it's not cake either. It's certainly not a given that the Knicks will break out of the gate with a strong record, and if they don't, I don't think that portends anything particularly bad about the coming season.
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10/23/2005  10:43 PM
For instance, consider that if we are roughly a .500 team this season (~40-43 wins), then in all likelihood we will come out of those 15 games with a record below .500. Reasoning is simple: If we're roughly .500, then we'll probably be above .500 at home and below .500 by the same amount on the road. So if we're basically a .300-.400 road team this season, then the simple law of averages predicts a losing record for those road games, which comprise 2/3 of the first 15 games.

Predicting something like 9-6 I'd say is very optimistic, probably a best case scenario that is very unlikely to unfold. And if you count on the best case scenario to happen and say that the team *should* live up to it, well, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment and doom-saying.

[Edited by - tomverve on 10-23-2005 10:45 PM]
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10/23/2005  11:41 PM
Posted by tomverve:

For instance, consider that if we are roughly a .500 team this season (~40-43 wins), then in all likelihood we will come out of those 15 games with a record below .500. Reasoning is simple: If we're roughly .500, then we'll probably be above .500 at home and below .500 by the same amount on the road. So if we're basically a .300-.400 road team this season, then the simple law of averages predicts a losing record for those road games, which comprise 2/3 of the first 15 games.

Predicting something like 9-6 I'd say is very optimistic, probably a best case scenario that is very unlikely to unfold. And if you count on the best case scenario to happen and say that the team *should* live up to it, well, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment and doom-saying.

[Edited by - tomverve on 10-23-2005 10:45 PM]


The last few years , I dont even think I predicted as well as 6-9 going the other way, I think I was more 4-11 etc... I feel good about this team, we have a lot of beef inside we can rotate, I think Frye can be a real impact contributor on the offensive end and we have a bevy of guards. We are mising a 6-7 guy who can shoot the ball and bring it off the dribble a bit, but we can throw out some nice packages. 9-6 against these squads I think is reasonable, doomsaying would be a 4-11--if we are going to be a playoff team, there are games in here we should win
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10/24/2005  12:07 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tomverve:

For instance, consider that if we are roughly a .500 team this season (~40-43 wins), then in all likelihood we will come out of those 15 games with a record below .500. Reasoning is simple: If we're roughly .500, then we'll probably be above .500 at home and below .500 by the same amount on the road. So if we're basically a .300-.400 road team this season, then the simple law of averages predicts a losing record for those road games, which comprise 2/3 of the first 15 games.

Predicting something like 9-6 I'd say is very optimistic, probably a best case scenario that is very unlikely to unfold. And if you count on the best case scenario to happen and say that the team *should* live up to it, well, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment and doom-saying.

[Edited by - tomverve on 10-23-2005 10:45 PM]


The last few years , I dont even think I predicted as well as 6-9 going the other way, I think I was more 4-11 etc... I feel good about this team, we have a lot of beef inside we can rotate, I think Frye can be a real impact contributor on the offensive end and we have a bevy of guards. We are mising a 6-7 guy who can shoot the ball and bring it off the dribble a bit, but we can throw out some nice packages. 9-6 against these squads I think is reasonable, doomsaying would be a 4-11--if we are going to be a playoff team, there are games in here we should win
Tom's right; you're completely ignoring the home-road distinction. If you think we're gonna be a .600 road team for that long a stretch, you're basically saying we're a .700-.750 overall team.
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10/24/2005  1:03 AM
Briggs prediction is fair. I thought he was originally saying we should only lose like 4 of those games, but 9-6 is fair and reasonable to me. Win ALL 5 of our games at home, and beat Washington, Portland, Golden State, Boston and Charlotte (We really should be beating them b/c we're still better than them) on the road. Fair way to start. We'll prolly get blown out by Miami.
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10/24/2005  1:27 AM
I feel good about the team too, but a 9-6 start to the season would be something a 50 win team would do. I don't think we're at that level just yet, not to mention that we'll be worse to start the season than we will be to finish.
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10/24/2005  1:31 AM
9-6 is exactly a .600 pace, and 50 wins out of 82 is .610. The overall quality of the opponents we face in the first 15 is probably lower than league average, but that discrepency is more than made up for by the heavy road schedule. So yes, if we were to start the season 9-6, we would almost definitely finish with 50+ wins. Do you think this is a 50+ win team Briggs?
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10/24/2005  1:36 AM
I'm projecting a 3-2 home record and 4-6 road record for the first 15. So I'll say we start 7-8. Hey, I hope I'm wrong and we start out 9-6, but I'm not counting on it.
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10/24/2005  2:50 AM
The way I see it...

Almost definite wins: @Bos, Por

Probable wins: @Por, @Cha

Almost definite losses: @GS, @Den, @Mia, @Det

Probable losses: @Sac, @LAL

Could go either way: Wash, GS, @Utah, Phi, Chi

There's 7 road games in there that will be very tough, and not a lot of gimmes. For the brief time we're at home, we have 4 out of 5 games against teams that are roughly at our level-- Washington, GS, Philly, Chicago. None of those will be easy wins (I'm saying we split those 4 at home at beat Portland also for 3-2).

The good news is that there's only one back-to-back, with @Utah on the second night. Could be worse, but that's going to be a tough grind out game. Sloan always has that team fighting and they have Kirilenko back and also added Deron Williams.
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10/24/2005  3:18 AM
Posted by tomverve:

9-6 is exactly a .600 pace, and 50 wins out of 82 is .610. The overall quality of the opponents we face in the first 15 is probably lower than league average, but that discrepency is more than made up for by the heavy road schedule. So yes, if we were to start the season 9-6, we would almost definitely finish with 50+ wins. Do you think this is a 50+ win team Briggs?
9-6 in that stretch would probably be what a 55 win team would do. Briggs is drinking way too much kool-aid! I NEVER EVER thought I'd end up saying that!

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10/24/2005  6:41 AM
soon everybody is going to know who the knicks are....not like this confused individual in this picture


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