Posted by efw:

I still think Q starts at the 3. But I don't think Lee is ahead of Ariza on the depth charts. When Crawford went down last year, Ariza started a number of games for us. Now, I'm not saying he was ready, but he was baptized by fire anyways. There's a lot to be said for real game experience. He's learned how to play under last minute pressure. Remember when he defended Wade on that last shot last year? That's an experience Lee doesn't have. Remember when he was forced to take the game tying shot but had it blocked? He learned from that to do a pump fake first.

I think you guys are going to be surprised by the Lineup LB puts on the floor for the first couple of months. This is how I see it:

Marbury, Crawford, Nate, Penny
Crawford, Marbury/Penny, Q
Q, Ariza, Penny/Lee
AD, Mo (for offense), Rose, Frye, Lee
Curry, James, Butler

As you can see, there are guys left out and guys who aren't going to get a lot of minutes. But that's the way LB does things and I'm not about to question his MO.

I'm glad you are so in tune with the way LB does things. Are you one of his assistants?

Posted by diderotn:

2 reasons why Lee will get more burn than Reezy: Lee is more NBA ready (4 years of College) and most of all, because Brown likes the kid.

Posted by Panos:

I guess I'm clearly in the minority here. But I'm willing to stick by my words, and I'll either be happy to eat crow, or say I told you so, that Lee gets more burn this year than Reezy.

I guess you missed the sit down that LB had with Al. He said he has liked Ariza since last season as Pistons coach. Thinks that he is the team best defender. That's why LB has used him as his 6th man in all these games. Ariza has already made a little name for himself in the NBA, Kobe, Wade, Lebron all know who he is. All I know is Lee vs Nailon last nite, Nailon looked like an all-star a quick stepper. Ariza vs. Korver, Korver turnover the ball to him and found a hand in his face everytime he wanted to take the 3. Ariza has guarded Kobe, Lebron, Carter, Wade, Marion to name a few is going to get squeeze by Lee who guarded SL guys for the most part. I would love to give him credit for Dirk but looking at the boxscores Dirk got his points, Lee damaged came when Dirk was resting on the bench. And I already mentioned the resurrection of Lee Nailon.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by martin:

Posted by fishmike:

Lee, Curry, Frye and JJ all suck on the boards. Not from lack of effort, but the group as a whole has absolutely ZERO technique. None of them box out or know how to put a body on guys. They all rely on height, size or athleticism to board, and at this level good technique is more effective.

WOW. Lee is a very good rebounder from what I have seen and Frye is not that bad. Watch those 2 more closely.

I don't like Lee rebounding technique. If you watch him more carefully he actually battles with his teammates more for rebounds than the opposition. I don't know how many times in both the SL and now preseason, that Lee hasn't try to battle Jackie or Frye for a rebound, only to have the ball go out of bounds. I counted 6 last nite. I only hope it is his high energy that causes it but it is wasted opportunities. Frye has gotten smart when he sees Lee going for a rebound he steps back and tries to box out for him. Lee needs to learn how to do that too.



[Edited by - pharzeone on 10-19-2005 11:05 AM]

he'll learn. at least he's going for rebounds

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by martin:

Posted by fishmike:

Lee, Curry, Frye and JJ all suck on the boards. Not from lack of effort, but the group as a whole has absolutely ZERO technique. None of them box out or know how to put a body on guys. They all rely on height, size or athleticism to board, and at this level good technique is more effective.

WOW. Lee is a very good rebounder from what I have seen and Frye is not that bad. Watch those 2 more closely.

yeah have you been watching the games Fish! Lee is a rebounding machine and Frye has been a pleasant surprise! I definitely agree that Lee is more suited for the running 2nd unit with Crawford and Nate. Frye is going to have to become a good rebounder playing next to Curry but I think he will be. He did average 7 in fewer minutes in College. JJ replaces Currry and Lee & AD replaces Frye. I really do not want Crawford and Marbury starting together! We need shooting and Q is our best option. Hell I would go Nate, Marbury, Q before I start Crawford!

PG-Marbury
SG-Q
SF-Ariza
PF-Frye
C-Curry

or

PG-Nate
SG-MArbury
SF-Q
PF-Frye
C-Curry

Guns, Martin.. I have watched very closely. I have no concern about Frye and Lee becoming good rebounders. Both work VERY hard and attack the ball, but I dont think either are any good right now. They are often out of position. They dont box out well, they let opposing players get hip to hip to them, putting them at the mercy of the bounce.

Watch this next time. Watch how many times balls go up, yet there is a crowd under the basket. Watch how many times those guys jump but can only get one hand on the ball, or they wind up jumping away from it. We have been spoiled by guys like Oak, Ewing and even Kurt, who was a GREAT technique rebounder on the defensive glass.

I'm not knocking their effort but there were a ton of boards they missed last night because of bad technique that turned into 2nd opportunities for Phili.

Those guys rebound like guys that are used to being bigger, quicker and taller than most of the competition. If you hustle and work you will get the board. Doesnt work in the NBA

Posted by fishmike:


Those guys rebound like guys that are used to being bigger, quicker and taller than most of the competition. If you hustle and work you will get the board. Doesnt work in the NBA

You should give LB or Herb a call and give them some pointers. Looks like it's working to me...keeping in mind all managed to become first round draft picks and play really well.

how come you are always so down on the knicks...when do they begin to get kudos? After we win a ring? Or do they only get praise when we tank the season and hit the lottery?

I'm just asking...when I joined you were all knicks all the time (I think your signature had kool aid in it and it's basically the only reason I use the term now), but now you can't force yourself to give praise...kind of why marv albert got canned.

I just want to know if you really are a knick fan or trying to be a professional unbiased sports reporter and using Ultimate knicks to get your unbiased journalism out to the masses.

I'm just wondering, why you so down on my knicks?!?!?!

NO DOUBT.

Posted by rvhoss:

Ooohah style...

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by martin:

Posted by fishmike:

Lee, Curry, Frye and JJ all suck on the boards.

you must be going by history, but looking at the boxscore, lee had almost 10 boards...can't argue with results

Not from lack of effort, but the group as a whole has absolutely ZERO technique. None of them box out or know how to put a body on guys. They all rely on height, size or athleticism to board, and at this level good technique is more effective.

Once again, you can't argue results
http://www.nba.com/knicks/stats/
Lee is leading the team in boards...I know, I know, it's only preseason...

I'm still trying to figure out why you're so down on the knicks.

WOW. Lee is a very good rebounder from what I have seen and Frye is not that bad. Watch those 2 more closely.

No Doubt, I agree 100%, but I can only go by what I've seen in preseason and in highlights, not from last nights game, but no arguing results

yeah have you been watching the games Fish!

I've been asking myself that same thing ALL SUMMER.

Lee is a rebounding machine and Frye has been a pleasant surprise! I definitely agree that Lee is more suited for the running 2nd unit with Crawford and Nate. Frye is going to have to become a good rebounder playing next to Curry but I think he will be. He did average 7 in fewer minutes in College. JJ replaces Currry and Lee & AD replaces Frye. I really do not want Crawford and Marbury starting together! We need shooting and Q is our best option. Hell I would go Nate, Marbury, Q before I start Crawford!

No Doubt

(sorry oohah...nobody can do it like you...hope the surgery went well)

No Doubt