Houston brought more to the organisation than just great numbers. He brought commitment, professionalism, a lot of things that are lacking today. He carried the team at it's worst and never complained.

He derserves to have his number retired.

If this were an Organisation like the Spurs, who value the things that Houston brought, this wouldn't even be up for debate.

as far as the marbury hof or # retiring thing- does Nash or Kidd derserve it?
Nash was MVP last year, and right now, he doesn't deserve either. Same for Kidd.

Kidd should be pretty close to the hall of fame right now: 7 time all-star 5-time first team all NBA.

He was more of an MVP his first year with the Nets than Nash was last year for the Suns.

Nash has not put up HOF numbers etc. in his career, but the MVP moved him a lot closer than he was.

oohah

Kidd should be pretty close to the hall of fame right now: 7 time all-star 5-time first team all NBA.

He was more of an MVP his first year with the Nets than Nash was last year for the Suns.

Agreed

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by NYKBocker:

I voted no, but I have him in high regards along with LJ, OAK, Starks.

Took the words out of my mouth.

right on.

Oh Hellllllllllllll No!!!!!!

IF he played these last 3 years at the high level he did before he went down I would say yes. Our fate as a team would have been different and he would have been viewed differently by the fans and players. But that did not happen so I have to say no.

I'd say probably not, but it wouldn't be bad if they actually did it. If they did, however, they have to do the same for Oakley who's done just as much for the Knicks in different ways.

i say yes retire his cause of what he did in 99 but i also say retire oakley and starks

I don't care what anyone is saying in this thread......

All I wanna know is why would anyone agree to Houston retiring his number? If he missed that shot in Miami he would be retiring from another team right now.

Please, don't crucify me for what I'm going to say but stop the Oakley, Starks, Houston comparison.
I mean, Oakley and Starks were nice, they worked as hard as anyone there and the Knicks were an excellent team with both playing. But if you look objetively around the league, they were BELOW average starters and MAYBE they were the reason the Knicks did not end up with a championship. Oakley was a 10ppg 10rpg player with a nice defense (very similar to what kurt thomas is right now although Oakley was a much better defense) and zero post moves. And Starks was a three point chucker with the heart of a lion. He was also a great defender, although Jordan scored more than 30 every time he guarded him. (I know Jordan did that to almost anyone but...)
I'm not saying that Houston is better than them, nor that they were bad. I have always liked Oakley and specially Starks a lot, but I would never considered them to be excellent players.
Houston is of course not as good defender as Starks and Oakley were, but his offensive skills, or just say it: just his jumpshot, was so much better that he should be consider at least as good as the other two. I consider "Houston did not play hard" rant very unfair. I'm sure the mayority of people who are against Houston are the ones who loved him in 1999. Just a bad contract can change your mind!!
I would like Oakley and Starks to have his jersey retired of course, but I would not be mad if they'd retire Houston's without the other two. Is it so bad to retire the jersey of a guy who played 9 seasons and averaged almost 19 ppg as a Knick and played always very good in the play-offs?
Just my opinion.

I remembered when they were going throught the whole gauntlet about retiring Ewing's number. And there was much to do about him not winning a championship but holds nearly every Knick record. Something he even addressed during his speech. If Ewing had to deal with that with holding nearly every Knick record, how in the world could anyone justify Houston being retired? Hell I would retire Starks, Oakley and Mason numbers before I get to Allan and to be fair you might as well nominate Spree for retirment honors too.