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gunsnewing
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10/17/2005  4:16 PM
Posted by McK1:

Its a Nets acrticle

http://www.nj.com/newslogs/nets/index.ssf?/mtlogs/njo_netsblast/archives/2005_10.html#087629

I agree let Steph just play. Score like crazy find the spot-up guy when he can't finish. Brown hopefully can ensure words like defend and hussle become a part of his permanenet vocabulary. If so NY WINS. If not TRADE HIM.


I'm putting my money Marbury being traded.
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10/17/2005  4:37 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by McK1:

Dave D's brief assessment of Crawford [and Curry] in pre-season game 1:

and with continued development from their younger guys they're going to scare the hell out of everybody this season.

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And by the way: That doesn't even cover the young guys on their first unit, such as Eddy Curry (still a beast, with 16 points in 13 minutes) or Jamal Crawford, who broke three or four pairs of ankles with crossover moves and -- no joke -- stayed under control.

Steph runs the pick and pop 20 + times a game and from KG to Kurt he has always had a big man who could consistently knock down open 15 footers. the other thing he does well is iso. 90% of Steph's assists come on some type of dribble drive play where he and 1 other person actually touch the ball. I can understand in the 4th with a game in the balance chiefly running plays where only your most capable players are involve but not from tip-off to finish. thats NOT TEAM OFFENSE.

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-17-2005 11:24 AM]


another good post! you pin-pointed the point I've been trying to make for 3yrs. Marbury can only do so much with the ball whereas a true PG gets everyone involved and raises the level of their play
It's hard to imagine any PG raising the level of play for Nazy more than Marbury did. Any big man with decent hands who can receive his passes should have their play raised enormously from playing with Marbury.
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10/17/2005  4:38 PM
Why all the Marbury Hate?
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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10/17/2005  5:31 PM
Posted by boomann:

Why all the Marbury Hate?
It's basketball in NY. We don't treat our players well.
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10/17/2005  5:50 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by boomann:

Why all the Marbury Hate?
It's basketball in NY. We don't treat our players well.

That's so true. Why is that? Ewing, Houston, Marbs. Then we all claim to love them after the fact.

I just hope that people will like me
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10/17/2005  5:55 PM
That's so true. Why is that? Ewing, Houston, Marbs. Then we all claim to love them after the fact.

I think it's a love hate relationship. We despise the whole orginization when they lose but jump back on the bandwagon when they win. Just last wee Allan Houston was despised by the forum now look at him this week our little angel.
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10/17/2005  5:55 PM
Nate or Craw combined are not better passers than Steph!!!

You guys are crazy, Nate and Craw have a long way to go, Craw is better though.

Craw has not shown me anything special except his ability to score when he's hot. He is an average passer at best. Nate seldomly passes at all so it is hard to evaluate him.

Steph is our PG for 85% of the time, because those other guys can't get it done. Our offense is gonna involve alot more motion now though, so who brings the ball up doesn't mean all that much anymore.
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10/17/2005  7:08 PM
To me, a PG is like a QB--he's got to be a leader on the floor--Craw is not that type of player. Craw is a sidekick at best. Steph has to be our point barring a trade for a pure PG. That said, I think LB is going to teach everyone to pass the ball which means it won't just be up to the PG to create opportunities for other players.
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10/17/2005  7:11 PM
Steph was unable to efficiently run neither Scott's nor D' Antoni's offense and he looked horrible in the Olympics as well. His best game was when he scored a ton.

this isn't a question of who brings the ball up. its about communication, getting up court quickly and getting into the offense, getting guys where they are suppose to be, getting guys the ball where they are most comfortable and effective - ie when someone posts and has their man pinned under the rim getting it in there instead of being hesitant and ultimately breaking the play like Steph does. Yeah he might dump it off but by that time the shot clock is winding down and the opposing D is converging. Nazr prolly "fumbled" a few just out of pure frustration. Those fumbles gave Nazr a chance to pad his on stats as well. Selfishness is infectious. Stph may or may not be a selfish person but his style a play has I've covered my own *** written all over it.

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10/17/2005  7:15 PM
We already have great passers on our roster....Frye, Lee, Curry, Marb, Crawf are all guys that are capable of passing the ball effectively. The notion of having a true PG to run the show is really overated. The Spurs have won countless championship without a true PG. Tony Parker is not a true PG. Detroit won a championship without a true PG, bILLUPS is not a true PG. We can win a championship with a team orriented system, and I do believe that is exactly what Brown is currently preaching to our boys...There will definitely not be showboating by anyone...As you can see, he already talked to Nate about that...OUr boys will play like a team, and you better believe that.
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10/17/2005  7:19 PM
Posted by Knight:

To me, a PG is like a QB--he's got to be a leader on the floor--Craw is not that type of player. Craw is a sidekick at best. Steph has to be our point barring a trade for a pure PG. That said, I think LB is going to teach everyone to pass the ball which means it won't just be up to the PG to create opportunities for other players.

Crawford has displayed the raw skill. LB was brought here to mold the out of control talent and inexperienced youth Isiah has brought in b/c these are the guys who will actually listen, learn, and gain. By his own admission Steph aint changing how he plays. He and Brown will just agree to disagree at best. Steph'll get his stats but LB will find someone else he can trust to secure the win.
Next in line is Crawford and his restraint out there is a sign he has his ears open.
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10/17/2005  7:22 PM
Steph never said that he will not adhere to LB's teaching...he said many times that he will do his best to allow himself to get molded by Brown....Again, let's wait and see. Come regular season, Steph will be playing like Brown wants him to play...I guaranty you that.
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10/17/2005  7:32 PM
I'm just saying: Craw is not a leader on the floor--nothing like Billups and Parker. I don't think that's his personality.
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10/17/2005  7:32 PM
Steph said he aint changing his game.

and its not steph hate its steph needs to step up his play. Steph's style of play has yet to include trusting the coach, trusting his teammates, chasing after looseballs, floorburns, diving out of bounds, crashing the boards, staying in front of his man.
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10/17/2005  7:34 PM
You will see all of that out of Steph this season. All of that + some...
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10/17/2005  7:45 PM
I hope ur right. it would be beautiful to see Steph do things to endear himself to his coach teammates and the rest of the fans
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10/17/2005  9:21 PM
Why wouldn't he? He has a group of guys that are here to help him be great, not like Kurt who underminded everything that he set out to do....Marb will run the Knicks beautifully...
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10/17/2005  9:30 PM
It was Kurt's fault Steph refused to hussle or play D.

Priceless.
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10/17/2005  9:33 PM
Last time I checked, none of our Knicks played a lick of defense last season, not even your beloved Kurt...It's not his fault that his coach was not a defensive minded type.....


Posted by McK1:

It was Kurt's fault Steph refused to hussle or play D.

Priceless.


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10/17/2005  9:47 PM
Posted by McK1:

It was Kurt's fault Steph refused to hussle or play D.

Priceless.
Some very basic info about defense: A guard who can play much tighter on his man if he has a good help defender and shot-blocker protecting the basket because it will not cost the team as much if the player gets by him. In contrast, if your PF and C both have turtle slow lateral movement like Kurt and Sweetney, you have to give your man an extra foot if not two and you'll look pretty bad on defense often.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10-17-2005 9:47 PM]
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