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10/17/2005  3:49 PM
The Crawford deal was terrible, we addded a player that is part of the problem, and cut Jerome Williams and both salaries count against our cap....We could have just let Mutumbo, Harrington, Williams expire at the end of the season. But there are two spots on the roster we are paying out

Who wants to watch Mutumbo and Harrington when we can see Jamal throw it off the backboard. And where does Willams contract come in at anyway if we didn't get jamal we wouldn't have had Willams contract anyway.

I really like what lee does but we could have acquired a pick to get him....Instead we add a long term deal with Rose who is taking up a roster spot in the process

And how were we going to get a firt round pick? I hope you are not implying we could of packaged Mutombo and Harrington for somebody's first round pick. Those two picks got us Lee and Eddy Curry so basically we traded Nazr Mohammed for David Lee and Eddy Curry. How is this not a good move on Isiah's part?

He trades for Moochie and Amachi adding salary, and then signs vin baker and promptly sends those players back to houston for Mo Taylor who doesn't try and is never in shape......

Vin Baker and Moochie Norris were in great shape at the end of the bench when they played for us. This is just silly statements.

He gives a terrible deal to Jerome James one of the worst in the offseason......and Marbury hasn't paid dividends yet although we have 45 million dollars in Penny to show.....he did bring in Lenny, terrible move so don't act like Zeke has been very good at his job, he has had the resources to make this lopsided deals that most gms wouldn't

Has Jerome James even played a game with us yet? How can it be the most terrible deal if we haven't even played a game yet? This sounds like pure hate from the player hating committee.

Isiah has done a great job and if you just put down your drink of haterade you would see that with your own eyez
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10/17/2005  4:01 PM
Posted by MS:

Seriously look at Isiahs track record aside from his drafting

The Crawford deal was terrible, we addded a player that is part of the problem, and cut Jerome Williams and both salaries count against our cap....We could have just let Mutumbo, Harrington, Williams expire at the end of the season. But there are two spots on the roster we are paying out

I really like what lee does but we could have acquired a pick to get him....Instead we add a long term deal with Rose who is taking up a roster spot in the process.....

He trades for Moochie and Amachi adding salary, and then signs vin baker and promptly sends those players back to houston for Mo Taylor who doesn't try and is never in shape......

He gives a terrible deal to Jerome James one of the worst in the offseason......and Marbury hasn't paid dividends yet although we have 45 million dollars in Penny to show.....he did bring in Lenny, terrible move so don't act like Zeke has been very good at his job, he has had the resources to make this lopsided deals that most gms wouldn't

So he had a good draft the last two years and he gets credit for that, but please don't give him credit until its due

I think it's due now. Sure, Isiah has had the resources to spend more money than anyone else in the league. But let's not forget that he came onto a team with NO talent resources that was capped out until 2005-6 at the earliest if he made no moves. AND, he never had a healthy Allan the entire time he was here, so it's not fair to point to the payroll and ask where the results were when Allan was making $20 of the $85 million payroll when he got here. So, he used the expiring contracts as resources to acquire talent. And, in my opinion, he's done a heck of a job in less than two years of turning the oldest, least exciting roster in the league into the youngest, most exciting roster in the league. Now we see if we can harness the skill and excitement into some tangible results, but for retooling the Knicks completely in one and a half seasons, I give him credit.

Now comes the fun part: watching a young team learn to win. And frankly, I'd rather watch a young team grow together than trade for KG and watch some soulless store-bought championship squad. This is going to be the most fun we've had watching basketball in a long time and if you want to cling to how much it cost rather than enjoy it, that's your perogative.
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10/17/2005  4:35 PM
Since someone wants to name all of Isiah's faults. I would like to point out the things he made work.

Q-rich and Nate the Great for KT- this trade was highway robbery for New York because we got us a three point threat and we were able to accquire a backup point guard something we didn't have all of last year. When Marbury use to sit the offense use to suffer now let's see what happens if Larry can get lil Nate under control.

Malik Rose & 2 first round picks for Nazr Mohammed- Isiah managed get rid of a stiff at center for an undersized power forward bu the real deal of the trade were the two firt rounders. How many people here thinkd Poppovich would love to have his hands on David Lee right about now? Then with the other pick we used it to help us get Eddy Curry. This was truly the best trade Isiah made since he was hired

Eddy Curry for Mike Sweetney, Tim Thomas and 1st rd pick- A Legit big post threat for a undersized pf and a inconsistent small forward. We not going to need that many picks in next year's draft because it'll be the weakest draft there's been in a while with high school players having to wait one year to get to the N.B.A.

The Draft- If anyone has seen someone draft better than Isiah please let me know. Trevor Ariza, Channing Frye, David Lee and Nate Robinson all have great careers ahead of them. Hopefully they'll be Knicks uniforms for a very long time.

Utility Men- Jackie Butler and Matt Barnes will have something to say about the final roster. Both of these guys are young and are willing to hustle so watch out for one or both to become like the John Starks and Anthony Mason's of the world

I'm a die hard Isiah Thomas fan ever since his Detroit days and I admit mistakes were made like the Van Horn for Tim Thomas trade. It was a bad trade but without it we wouldn't have Eddy Curry. But overall I'd gieve Isiah a B+ on what he did for the Knicks, but if they win the Atlantic and 2nd rd of the playoffs that grade jumps to a big A+++.
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10/18/2005  1:30 AM
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Posted by newyorknewyork:

I can see us haveing a real solid yr this yr. And then seeing a lot of writers kissing our ass next season, but also throwing in some smart alec remarks to act like they were always right.
And I could see endless comments about the payroll. "Yeah, the Knicks are good but Isiah just bought all the talent." When in reality there's almost zero correlation between payroll and victories in the NBA and Isiah made a lot of smart decisions that few GMs would have thought of even with a high payroll.


Like?

The roster that he's put together is a byproduct of being able to take back $200M in salary. And for what? A bunch of questionable players that most other NBA teams didn't want any part of for various reasons.

Curry? Nobody else would take that humongous risk.

Marbury? Plus Penny for a selfish PG who hasn't shown that he can lead a team anywhere.

James? Please, the guy is a stiff. A $30M stiff.

Crawford? Nobody wanted to give that much money to an undisciplined and undeveloped player.

Q? I'd call it a wash but you know what they say about trading big for small. KT would still be our best low post interior defender.

The draft picks? All still very unproven and not the stars that most people here are already making them out to be. At this point I don't even see one of them being a solid NBA starter on a good team. Frye is the closest and he's a little too soft for my taste. Ariza, Nate and Lee are backup energy guys who don't have well developed basketball skills.

Jackie Butler and Matt Barnes. Give me a freaking break with the way some of you guys talk about them. At best they're end of the bench players but most likely guys stashed on the IR.

And we're still hopelessly over the cap. Houston retiring doesn't help. Not only is he still on the cap but we don't get an exception (based on what Andrew posted) and now we can't trade his expiring contract. I've said from Day 1 that under Isiah and beyond we'd be stuck in mediocrity and I don't see any reason to change my mind based on this assemblage of questionable and mediocre "talent" that will keep us over the cap for the next decade.
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10/18/2005  4:21 AM
Wow Islesfan....that's a downer dude.

The present situation with this team and it's leadership must be pretty daggone bleak for you right now. I know for myself that I can't be associated with anything negative or wasteful for an extended period of time. I'd go nuts.

How do you do it?

I'm still kinda new to being a Knicks fan (since Isiah). I admire the job Isiah has done thus far (warts and all). I can certainly understand that you don't like him and anything he might be involved with (it's clear from the bulk of your post - close to 100% ) as each individual has his own opinion. That's cool....but I gotta admit man that there's not a whole lotta balance in your assessment. It's a huge downer fella

Two Questions Isles

A) Is there anything...and I mean anything (besides LB coming) that you view as a positive for this team (i'd think anyone in their right mind would view Allan retiring as positive)?

B) Can you give me some background on your history as a Knick fan and where and when did it all go wrong with the Knicks (BI and AI)?

I guess i'm just trying to understand where you're coming from as I couldn't come to this site if I wasn't feeling anything positive about the team. How do you do it (and there's a third question)?

MS, if you'd like to I think it would be great if you could chip in with your opinion also. You guys obviously know you're welcome to your opinions but I gotta tell you it's a Bummer dudes...a bummer.



[Edited by - JUNKMEIN on 10-18-2005 04:24 AM]
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10/18/2005  5:54 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Wow Islesfan....that's a downer dude.

Don't mind him. He misses Spoon, Baker, Anderson, Eisley and Moochie. Reading his post made me miss them too. Very touching.


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10/18/2005  7:46 AM
Posted by boomann:

I'm a die hard Isiah Thomas fan ever since his Detroit days and I admit mistakes were made like the Van Horn for Tim Thomas trade. It was a bad trade but without it we wouldn't have Eddy Curry.

Oh come on! You don't erase a bad trade because a year and a half later the player coming in became an expiring contract. That's just crap. What did he do while he was here? He was a negative force on the team -- worse than zero.

And it's also crap to say that without TT we wouldn't have Curry. How do you know that? Some other deal could have been orchestrated. Or something even better for KVH. You have no idea. If you want to be objective don't give passes on bad trades.

Personally, I think Isiah has done a mixed job. Bad on signings, good on drafting, fair to poor on trading overall.
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10/18/2005  10:41 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Wow Islesfan....that's a downer dude.

The present situation with this team and it's leadership must be pretty daggone bleak for you right now. I know for myself that I can't be associated with anything negative or wasteful for an extended period of time. I'd go nuts.

How do you do it?

I'm still kinda new to being a Knicks fan (since Isiah). I admire the job Isiah has done thus far (warts and all). I can certainly understand that you don't like him and anything he might be involved with (it's clear from the bulk of your post - close to 100% ) as each individual has his own opinion. That's cool....but I gotta admit man that there's not a whole lotta balance in your assessment. It's a huge downer fella

Two Questions Isles

A) Is there anything...and I mean anything (besides LB coming) that you view as a positive for this team (i'd think anyone in their right mind would view Allan retiring as positive)?

B) Can you give me some background on your history as a Knick fan and where and when did it all go wrong with the Knicks (BI and AI)?

I guess i'm just trying to understand where you're coming from as I couldn't come to this site if I wasn't feeling anything positive about the team. How do you do it (and there's a third question)?

MS, if you'd like to I think it would be great if you could chip in with your opinion also. You guys obviously know you're welcome to your opinions but I gotta tell you it's a Bummer dudes...a bummer.



[Edited by - JUNKMEIN on 10-18-2005 04:24 AM]


Balance??? Have you been reading this board the last few months? Or do you just consider ridiculous optimism that borders on delusion to be balanced? There's nothing wrong with being optimistic. I'm optimistic that the Knicks are going to be better than last year. Coming off of 33 wins, I would sure as heck hope so. But am I so delusional...I mean optimistic that I think that every major question mark is going to work out for the Knicks? When has that ever happened?

I'm also not so optimistic that I'm going to be blind and/or completely ignore the downsides of our players.

Curry can be a big help to us on the offensive side as the low post presence that we didn't have. But he's also a liability on the defensive end, he doesn't rebound and, oh yeah, he has a heart problem that could potentially end his career at any moment.

Marbury is a top 10 PG in this league but it sounds like Brown is trying to move him out of that spot and into the SG position. How will he play without the ball when he's played his entire life with it? And the fact that he's not a very good shooter doesn't bode well.

James...umm, uhh...he's a stiff, there's no way around it. A positive? He's allowed 6 fouls a game and he takes up space, whatever that's worth. Oh wait, that's worth $30M.

Crawford is a good scorer but he doesn't shoot at a high percentage and he takes a lot of bad shots. He can shoot you into a game but more often than not he won't.

Frye, Nate, Lee and Ariza, they all hustle and I respect and appreciate that a lot. Aside from maybe Frye, they aren't the most skilled players but they work hard and give you effort. Of course so did guys like Mark Madsen. When it comes down to it, it's a skill league and the usual role for effort guys is coming off the bench or starting on a team with loads of talent where they can afford to start someone like that. That isn't us. One other thing about Nate. I like the kid but all this rah rah stuff is going to get old real quick. This is the NBA, not the NCAA. Over 82 games it's going to wear on somebody.

Aside from freeing up a roster spot, Houston's retirement isn't a good thing as I stated earlier. We're still capped out for the next decade and we can't even trade his contract next summer.

Now instead of the usual responses, "You're nothing but a hater", "You're just a pessimist", "You miss Layden"...how about somebody tell me how my analysis is so offbase? All I know is that since I've been here, I've been more right about things than not. I do admit that I was wrong when I had the Knicks winning 43 games last year. What was I thinking?
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10/18/2005  11:02 AM
Curry can be a big help to us on the offensive side as the low post presence that we didn't have. But he's also a liability on the defensive end, he doesn't rebound and, oh yeah, he has a heart problem that could potentially end his career at any moment.
very fair on Curry's game, but at 22 I like to think he's still got a learning curve. We saw Camby go from a mediocre rebounder to a great one under JVG. Coaching and technique can go a long way here. One thing though: Curry doesnt have a heart problem. At least not according to the 10+ world renowned cardiac specialists that looked at him. Apparently the insurance companies feel the same way because it looks like his deal is getting covered. Also the Lakers did offer him 3 yearrs and $21mm and a better pick of players but obviously the contract wasnt close to what the Knicks were offering.
Marbury is a top 10 PG in this league but it sounds like Brown is trying to move him out of that spot and into the SG position. How will he play without the ball when he's played his entire life with it? And the fact that he's not a very good shooter doesn't bode well.
I dont really get your take on this one. On one hand you say MArbury's problem is his leadership. Yet nobody could deny his ability to score and create. So LB looks to move him out of a leadership role and one where all he has to do is score then create. Not sure how this is a negative.
Crawford is a good scorer but he doesn't shoot at a high percentage and he takes a lot of bad shots. He can shoot you into a game but more often than not he won't.
He's had what? 5 coaches so far? Your right, but the jury is still out. Lets see him with a good coach in a more stable system and see what we have. He may just be a chucker, but he's got some skills that are tough to teach and his upside is pretty good.
Frye, Nate, Lee and Ariza, they all hustle and I respect and appreciate that a lot. Aside from maybe Frye, they aren't the most skilled players but they work hard and give you effort. Of course so did guys like Mark Madsen. When it comes down to it, it's a skill league and the usual role for effort guys is coming off the bench or starting on a team with loads of talent where they can afford to start someone like that. That isn't us. One other thing about Nate. I like the kid but all this rah rah stuff is going to get old real quick. This is the NBA, not the NCAA. Over 82 games it's going to wear on somebody.
I think its their skill level that most are impressed by. If you saw Frye in the tourney no way you would call him soft. He's got to learn to rebound better no doubt, but its not from fear of contact or lack of toughness. As for Ariza your right. Average handle, ugly jumper, good D, excellent passer. There are skills but its a work in progress. He's 20. As for Lee its his skills everyone is talking about. I think alot of people expected a blue collar guy which is to say he's hustle player. He is, what has people talking are his skills and touch around the basket, ability to score with both hands, his excellent handle for a bigman and his ability to really pass the ball. Sounds like a pretty skilled group to me.
Nate will be fine. If Iverson can take the beating he can and MArbury as well for that matter Nate will survive. He's a football player.
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10/18/2005  11:14 AM
And it's also crap to say that without TT we wouldn't have Curry. How do you know that? Some other deal could have been orchestrated. Or something even better for KVH. You have no idea. If you want to be objective don't give passes on bad trades.

So u calling my statement crap huh? You are living in a fantasy world if you say that we could of orchestrarted some other trade when we orchestrated the trade that acutally happened. MY statement is based on actual reality while yours is a hopeless fantasy. The trade happened he recitfied the mistake with a better player how can you be mad at this.

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10/18/2005  11:26 AM
Q? I'd call it a wash but you know what they say about trading big for small. KT would still be our best low post interior defender

Kurt played interior defense? Now that's just silly everyone knows he use to get aboused down low. His interior defense was mediocre at best and we are much better with Frye and James down there than freaking Kurt Thomas

Frye, Nate, Lee and Ariza, they all hustle and I respect and appreciate that a lot. Aside from maybe Frye, they aren't the most skilled players but they work hard and give you effort. Of course so did guys like Mark Madsen. When it comes down to it, it's a skill league and the usual role for effort guys is coming off the bench or starting on a team with loads of talent where they can afford to start someone like that. That isn't us. One other thing about Nate. I like the kid but all this rah rah stuff is going to get old real quick. This is the NBA, not the NCAA. Over 82 games it's going to wear on somebody
Hmm... now this is an interesting statement because everybody even the media seem to love our rooks. Now you want to compare David Lee to Mark Madsen. As a matter of fact i'm through responding to you because this is just silly asinine statements. You must be trying to get a rise out of me.

[Edited by - boomann on 10-18-2005 11:27 AM]
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10/18/2005  11:45 AM
I'm not saying that Curry can't improve. I'm just stating what he's been up to this point in his career. I wouldn't compare him to Camby. Totally different body type. Camby has springs in his legs that Curry can only dream about. Coaching and technique can go a long way but only if you have the desire and work ethic that Curry hasn't exactly been accused of having. As for his heart ailment. He has 2 documented episodes in the last year. One that kept him out of the last 19 games of the regular season and then the playoffs. That's beyond dispute. Until proven otherwise, he has a heart condition that could reoccur at any moment.

Marbury's ability to score and create is based on having the ball in his hands as the PG running the offense. Being moved to SG and getting the ball taken out of his hands makes him a question mark.

I think we agree on Crawford and if you want to take a wait and see on what effect Brown has on him, that's fine. I wouldn't take drastic improvements in his game for granted though, unlike some people here, yourself excluded.

Frye is skilled but I wouldn't take anything out of the tournament and saying that it will automatically translate to the pros. Look at Never Nervous Pervis.

Lee has some skills but let me see him prove it at the pro level before we talk about what a great find he is.

Nate isn't above average in any skill but he plays with a lot of energy which is why he's where he is today. But to succeed where he is he'll have to develop his skills a lot more.

These guys can improve but there's a lot of improvement to be made and no guarantees of them ever doing so. That's not being pessimistic, just being very realistic.

I do appreciate your critique of my analysis. If we agree to disagree on some points that's fine, at least you took the time to give me a well thought out response instead of the typical ones that people spew around here if you suggest that everything isn't perfect and we're not already an elite team.
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10/18/2005  11:47 AM
Posted by boomann:
And it's also crap to say that without TT we wouldn't have Curry. How do you know that? Some other deal could have been orchestrated. Or something even better for KVH. You have no idea. If you want to be objective don't give passes on bad trades.

So u calling my statement crap huh? You are living in a fantasy world if you say that we could of orchestrarted some other trade when we orchestrated the trade that acutally happened. MY statement is based on actual reality while yours is a hopeless fantasy. The trade happened he recitfied the mistake with a better player how can you be mad at this.


You telling somebody else that they live in a fantasy world is pretty damn funny.
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10/18/2005  12:00 PM
Posted by boomann:
And it's also crap to say that without TT we wouldn't have Curry. How do you know that? Some other deal could have been orchestrated. Or something even better for KVH. You have no idea. If you want to be objective don't give passes on bad trades.

So u calling my statement crap huh? You are living in a fantasy world if you say that we could of orchestrarted some other trade when we orchestrated the trade that acutally happened. MY statement is based on actual reality while yours is a hopeless fantasy. The trade happened he recitfied the mistake with a better player how can you be mad at this.

Being mad has nothing to do with it. It was a year and a half of opportunity cost paying and playing that bum. I'm not fantasizing. But you can't tell me that trading for TT was a plan to get Curry a year and a half later. He was a bum, and the only reason he netted Curry (and NOT ONLY BTW, we gave up Sweetney too, don't forget that) is because WE paid off most of his horrible contract!
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10/18/2005  12:08 PM
I think you misunderstood my Camby comment. You right, they are nothing alike. I only used Camby because he was pretty established as an "is what he is" kind of guy yet he really grew into something more under JVG. The improvement under good coaching is really the only point there.

Agree to disagree on Curry's heart. I'm not sure if anyone was as against getting him as I was. I couldnt watch this kid playing for us knowing he could be another Reggie Lewis. So I did a lot of research on the DNA test and what it proves and doesnt prove, and why Curry would want to or not want to take it.

Curry missed those games as a precaution, until they could thoroghly examine him. They did. Nothing wrong with the heart. Contract time. They examine him again. Nothing wrong with the heart. He signs with the Knicks. They exmine him again. Nothing wrong with the heart. These werent the docs at your local medi-merge. We are talking world renowned guys. The head of UCLA cardiology among others.

I'm as comfortable with Curry's health as anyone on this team. He did have 2 episodes yes. The cause unknown. We do know its not his heart, and we also know its fairly common in guys his size, especially when you add diet drugs that might accelerate your heart rate.

Nate's tough to knock. He's got one skill (or ability) thats heads above everyone but 1 or 2 guys in the league and thats speed. We have seen it. He needs to learn to play under some control but its a crazy weapon. Against the Mavs has stole a ball and got down court so fast they fouled him before half the guys realized he had the ball. He still got the clear path foul to boot. Pretty impressive
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10/18/2005  12:10 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by boomann:
And it's also crap to say that without TT we wouldn't have Curry. How do you know that? Some other deal could have been orchestrated. Or something even better for KVH. You have no idea. If you want to be objective don't give passes on bad trades.

So u calling my statement crap huh? You are living in a fantasy world if you say that we could of orchestrarted some other trade when we orchestrated the trade that acutally happened. MY statement is based on actual reality while yours is a hopeless fantasy. The trade happened he recitfied the mistake with a better player how can you be mad at this.

Being mad has nothing to do with it. It was a year and a half of opportunity cost paying and playing that bum. I'm not fantasizing. But you can't tell me that trading for TT was a plan to get Curry a year and a half later. He was a bum, and the only reason he netted Curry (and NOT ONLY BTW, we gave up Sweetney too, don't forget that) is because WE paid off most of his horrible contract!


Don't forget the draft picks. The draft picks that we've given up in trades have been and have the potential to be a lot higher than any of the much celebrated picks that Isiah has acquired.
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10/18/2005  12:12 PM
Being mad has nothing to do with it. It was a year and a half of opportunity cost paying and playing that bum. I'm not fantasizing. But you can't tell me that trading for TT was a plan to get Curry a year and a half later. He was a bum, and the only reason he netted Curry (and NOT ONLY BTW, we gave up Sweetney too, don't forget that) is because WE paid off most of his horrible contract!

You telling somebody else that they live in a fantasy world is pretty damn funny.

I'm not saying it was part of no plan. I SAID he rectified it by doing another trade. I just want you two to do me a favor. How about ya'll name two gm's who did a better job than Isiah this off season and I will concede my argument and you two can be as happy as two lil girls who get their first period.
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10/18/2005  12:13 PM
fish and isles sittin' in a tree...
boomann
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10/18/2005  12:21 PM
Don't forget the draft picks. The draft picks that we've given up in trades have been and have the potential to be a lot higher than any of the much celebrated picks that Isiah has acquired.

It was Isiah's pick to give away since he got it in the Malik Rose trade. We still have one more pick for next year's draft and judging from Isiah's eye for talent, that's all we need is one pick. The other pick he just agreed to swap in 2007 and that's still leaves us with a 1st rounder in that draft also. I don't see how you can be critical of this move. We got Eddy Curry and David Lee for Nazr Mohammed, Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetny and a 1st rd pick. Would ya'll rather have those three dudes back?
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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10/18/2005  12:32 PM
I understand what you say about Camby but Curry has yet to display the work ethic or desire to develop into the type of defender and rebounder that he should be with his size. Coaching can help but either he's willing to put in the effort of he isn't.

We can agree to disagree on Curry's health but I'm not sure how you can say that it wasn't his heart. He was diagnosed with a heart arrhythmia. The cause may be unknown but the heart arryhthmia was why he was shut down last year as a precaution.

Nate definitely has speed but what about the 80% of the time when the game is played in the half court? On offense he doesn't have the shooting ability that Muggsy had. He's not a great passer and he's a liability on defense because of his height. I'm not saying that he can't play in this league and he can't have any success but seriously, what can be expected of him other than a high energy role player off the bench?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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