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joec32033
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10/12/2005  8:57 PM
Let's just take a look for a minute....

Curry/
Ratliff?
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10/12/2005  8:59 PM
peter vescey is definitely known for making up his own rumors and running with it.

as for the big game, i've always been against the size of his deal based on the LACK of size in his #'s.

a move for ratliff would be AWFUL as ratliff is toast. and it's not really that farfetched to try to move him b/c now, as the BACKUP center, making $30 mil, his value is only going to go down.
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10/12/2005  9:06 PM
ok, let's see if this catches on....IDIOTS THAT LIKED THE JEROME JAMES SIGNING MAN UP!!!
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10/12/2005  9:40 PM
Man, Peter Vescey is senile. He says alot of stuff on NBATV that never happens.
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10/12/2005  9:43 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

ok, let's see if this catches on....IDIOTS THAT LIKED THE JEROME JAMES SIGNING MAN UP!!!




I still like the signing though.

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10/12/2005  9:46 PM
Why would we trade Jerome James when he gives us everything we need in his new role as a backup center?

Theo Ratliff is good for about 50 games at the most, why would we trade for him?

The Jerome James signing made sense at the time because we had no size and were quite desperate. I liked it then and still like it now, and can't get as emotional as the rest of you cats over a risk that costs the MLE. I just can't get worked up over that.
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10/12/2005  9:52 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Why would we trade Jerome James when he gives us everything we need in his new role as a backup center?

Theo Ratliff is good for about 50 games at the most, why would we trade for him?

The Jerome James signing made sense at the time because we had no size and were quite desperate. I liked it then and still like it now, and can't get as emotional as the rest of you cats over a risk that costs the MLE. I just can't get worked up over that.


I feel you......

Peter Vescey's idea of a source is the dudes that he used to hang with back in the 60's....you know....those ex-ball players who messed their lives up with drugs and now are janitors at MSG, etc.......some dude probably thought he heard Isiah say something about Jerome James through the air vents while they were vacuming or something.

We'll see what happens.....
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10/12/2005  10:19 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The only thing I can think of is that he wants Ratliff cuz he can run back on Defense better. Overall they have similar stats and Ratlifff is 32. It makes some sense.

Trade Checker said that Jerome can't be traded until Dec 15th.
Are you sure that's the case with the new CBA? I remember someone (I think it was DJ) posting that with the new CBA rookies could be traded 30 days after being signed. I don't know if the rule is different for non-rookies though. Any CBA experts?
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10/12/2005  10:28 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nixluva:

The only thing I can think of is that he wants Ratliff cuz he can run back on Defense better. Overall they have similar stats and Ratlifff is 32. It makes some sense.

Trade Checker said that Jerome can't be traded until Dec 15th.
Are you sure that's the case with the new CBA? I remember someone (I think it was DJ) posting that with the new CBA rookies could be traded 30 days after being signed. I don't know if the rule is different for non-rookies though. Any CBA experts?


A draft rookie may not be traded until 30 days following the date on which his contract is signed. Other players remain subject to the rule providing that they may not be traded before the later of (i) three months following the signing of the contract or (ii) December 15.

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10/12/2005  10:32 PM
Vescey has never been good with the CBA rules
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10/12/2005  10:35 PM
Posted by EnySpree:


I feel you......

Peter Vescey's idea of a source is the dudes that he used to hang with back in the 60's....you know....those ex-ball players who messed their lives up with drugs and now are janitors at MSG, etc.......some dude probably thought he heard Isiah say something about Jerome James through the air vents while they were vacuming or something.

Wait a second!!

Me and Nalod didn't tell Vescey nothin'!!!
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10/12/2005  10:40 PM
So Jerome James can't be involved in any trade involving Theo Ratiliff for at least nine weeks. By then who knows what will have happened anyway. Maybe JJ will fit great. Maybe we'll have a better idea of Curry's heart condition.
I guess it's still possible Vescey was right about the Knicks looking to trade JJ in a deal where no one else is traded from the Knicks. (I think they wouldn't have to wait 'til Dec 15 for that.) But I'm doubting Vescey's credibility
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10/12/2005  10:58 PM
no.

in the new CBA you can trade any player 60 days after signing him. JJ is free to be traded RIGHT NOW. it's in the CBA.


My guess is this is more a Larry Brown issue than an Isiah issue. I'm guessing Larry saw JJ's lack of effort and poor defense and remember Theo Ratliff fondly. I really hope we don't end up with Theo Ratliff and Eric Snow. It'd be a few more wins this season, but a lot fewer wins in a few years. Be strong, Zeke!
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10/12/2005  11:04 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

no.

in the new CBA you can trade any player 60 days after signing him. JJ is free to be traded RIGHT NOW. it's in the CBA.


My guess is this is more a Larry Brown issue than an Isiah issue. I'm guessing Larry saw JJ's lack of effort and poor defense and remember Theo Ratliff fondly. I really hope we don't end up with Theo Ratliff and Eric Snow. It'd be a few more wins this season, but a lot fewer wins in a few years. Be strong, Zeke!

Wrong, Young skywalker.

Section 8. Trade Rules.

(d) Except as set forth in Section 8(e) below: (1) no player who signs a Contract as a Free Agent may be traded before the later of (i) three (3) months following the date on which such Contract was signed or (ii) the December 15 of the Salary Cap Year in which such Contract was signed; and (2) no Draft Rookie who signs a Player Contract may be traded before thirty (30) days following the date on which the Contract is signed.

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_8.php

Can't trade big game.

[Edited by - Ewingsglass on 10-12-2005 11:05 PM]
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10/12/2005  11:12 PM
James Ariza and Q for Ratliff Outlaw and the future 1st Utah owes Portland

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-12-2005 11:12 PM]
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10/12/2005  11:15 PM
Vescey is an idiot that manufactures stories.....
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10/12/2005  11:38 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by EnySpree:


I feel you......

Peter Vescey's idea of a source is the dudes that he used to hang with back in the 60's....you know....those ex-ball players who messed their lives up with drugs and now are janitors at MSG, etc.......some dude probably thought he heard Isiah say something about Jerome James through the air vents while they were vacuming or something.

Wait a second!!

Me and Nalod didn't tell Vescey nothin'!!!


Nao man, it was like, well, ok. Yo, me and Larrys we was talking. See, Lar and me's is tight

Any way, Im down on my knees pickin the unpoped kernals that isiah spits out and sticks em in chewin gums. He likes orbit gum and chedder popcorns. So anyways Larrys cool ans axed me how its hang'in and stuff and I says back that It hangs to the left! We laugh right, so he says his is hanging with a garbage bag twisty and laughs. I donno what the Phuch he doing, but I laugh cuz its larry Im scared of him. He's got like som weird mojo bout him. like Rasputin to the Czar, know what I mean? No huh? Anyway IM down on my paws picked that crap up and I sees them and larry just smacking the crap out of Isiah about Jerome and telling him to get him a real center or else! Or else im thinking? Yeah, he got somting I don't know what.

But like Larrys like the emperer in star wars, face all green with eye blazing, and he takes this clear yellow tub out his pants and starts choking isiah with,t then disconnets it and puts it in his mouth and screaming: "is this how Magic did you, you little bitch?" Im like "damm" the rumors about isiah/magic were right on! so Larry just messing Up Isiah calling him names, asking him if his piss tastes like that "damm popcorn oil" and screaming him to get the players he wants otherwise he's going on Letterman and taking care of him!.

Then Larry's starts like talking to his himself mumbling about KT and and laughing. Seems he hearing voices,and starts yelling "Dido get out of my head"! Isiah spits the tube out and unravels the ting and just runs. Larry is tortured by some evil force. Its just weird.

Larry sees me and Im like freaking out thinking he is either gonna make me drink his "kool aid" or make me a "LB" type player. He just laughs and says he'll see me tomorrow.

Next Day Dolan finds me and Im now pulling in 1.2 mil for 5 years as the worlds highest paying Janitor so long as I keeps my mouth closed.

Isiah won't look at me in the eye after I offer him a sip of my "mountain dew".

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10/13/2005  12:35 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by crzymdups:

no.

in the new CBA you can trade any player 60 days after signing him. JJ is free to be traded RIGHT NOW. it's in the CBA.


My guess is this is more a Larry Brown issue than an Isiah issue. I'm guessing Larry saw JJ's lack of effort and poor defense and remember Theo Ratliff fondly. I really hope we don't end up with Theo Ratliff and Eric Snow. It'd be a few more wins this season, but a lot fewer wins in a few years. Be strong, Zeke!

Wrong, Young skywalker.

Section 8. Trade Rules.

(d) Except as set forth in Section 8(e) below: (1) no player who signs a Contract as a Free Agent may be traded before the later of (i) three (3) months following the date on which such Contract was signed or (ii) the December 15 of the Salary Cap Year in which such Contract was signed; and (2) no Draft Rookie who signs a Player Contract may be traded before thirty (30) days following the date on which the Contract is signed.

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_8.php

Can't trade big game.

[Edited by - Ewingsglass on 10-12-2005 11:05 PM]


aug 2 2005---nov 2 2005 can trade him in 3 weeks
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10/13/2005  12:40 AM
Posted by McK1:

James Ariza and Q for Ratliff Outlaw and the future 1st Utah owes Portland

[Edited by - McK1 on 10-12-2005 11:12 PM]


That I would do! But not b/c of Ratliff. I really like Outlaw.
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10/13/2005  12:48 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

aug 2 2005---nov 2 2005 can trade him in 3 weeks

Nope.
(1) no player who signs a Contract as a Free Agent may be traded before the later of (i) three (3) months following the date on which such Contract was signed or (ii) the December 15 of the Salary Cap Year in which such Contract was signed;

Dec 15 is after Nov 2. So James can't be traded before Dec 15.
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