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9/28/2005  6:01 PM
Former Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy likes to say that if a rookie first-rounder can't excel in the summer league, it's an alarming sign.

Van Gundy hates rookies anyway.
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9/28/2005  6:18 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Frye oh Frye where art thou French Frye defense and Rebounding

Why did we have to draft the one bad apple out of a bucket full of potential difference-makers!

Frye will be behind Sweetney, Jerome, Rose & Taylor in the rotation all year and for the rest of his career since he will be nothing more than a 20mins a game runner of the floor, jumpshooter ala Nesterovic

I was totally against drafting Frye and for drafting virtually anyone who wasn't considered soft but oh well at least we have Malik the geat to fall back on. All we did last year was have a losing year only to screw up a lottery pick!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-28-2005 3:05 PM]

I agree. Nate was the best player in the draft, but he's limited by his height. IMHO, I can't remember the last time I saw a team have a worse draft... at least from initial feeling. I pray that I'm wrong. I don't understand how you come out of a draft with one first rounder and pull out Ariza, then the next year with three first rounders you come up with Frye, Nate and Lee. It's baffling. Again, not trying to knock Nate, because I think he'll be a decent PG backup, but that's just it... a backup. When you have three first rounders and the best player you got is an NBA backup, you had an awful draft.

Disclaimer: The above was my perspective. I know many think differently.
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9/28/2005  7:12 PM
Ariza was a 2nd rounder...
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9/28/2005  9:14 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Frye oh Frye where art thou French Frye defense and Rebounding

Why did we have to draft the one bad apple out of a bucket full of potential difference-makers!

Frye will be behind Sweetney, Jerome, Rose & Taylor in the rotation all year and for the rest of his career since he will be nothing more than a 20mins a game runner of the floor, jumpshooter ala Nesterovic

I was totally against drafting Frye and for drafting virtually anyone who wasn't considered soft but oh well at least we have Malik the geat to fall back on. All we did last year was have a losing year only to screw up a lottery pick!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-28-2005 3:05 PM]

I agree. Nate was the best player in the draft, but he's limited by his height. IMHO, I can't remember the last time I saw a team have a worse draft... at least from initial feeling. I pray that I'm wrong. I don't understand how you come out of a draft with one first rounder and pull out Ariza, then the next year with three first rounders you come up with Frye, Nate and Lee. It's baffling. Again, not trying to knock Nate, because I think he'll be a decent PG backup, but that's just it... a backup. When you have three first rounders and the best player you got is an NBA backup, you had an awful draft.

Disclaimer: The above was my perspective. I know many think differently.


Nice to know there's someone out there who sees it the same way. Someone who's actually sane lol I've also been a lot more excited about Nate since Day 1 but like you said he's a backup PG and will be lucky to get 10mins behind Marbury & Crawford. But to waste the your #1 pick on a 20mins a game role player who you drafted because you thought he was more nba ready then certain other 7'1 280LB skilled beasts disappointed the hell out of me and totally took away my excitement going into this year since I thought we;d finally get that tough 2-way frontcourt potential stud player we so desperetely need. instead we draft a finesse PF who will be lucky to see 25mins in his nba career because of his lack of rebounding, defense and foul woos. but he! he can run and shoot like Kurt Thomas Yall!
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9/28/2005  9:46 PM
Rasheed Wallace is another sometimey player......Rasheed is a below average rebounder for his God given gifts. Sheed also falls asleep on defense at times but has proved he can do it big time when he is into the game.

I see Channing having a similiar career to Rasheed. Sheed didn't play all that well his first year in Washington. Channing seems to have a more poster boy look to him. Channing will never be as nasty as Sheed but he could be an underacheiver just like Sheed.

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9/28/2005  10:18 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Frye oh Frye where art thou French Frye defense and Rebounding

Why did we have to draft the one bad apple out of a bucket full of potential difference-makers!

Frye will be behind Sweetney, Jerome, Rose & Taylor in the rotation all year and for the rest of his career since he will be nothing more than a 20mins a game runner of the floor, jumpshooter ala Nesterovic

I was totally against drafting Frye and for drafting virtually anyone who wasn't considered soft but oh well at least we have Malik the geat to fall back on. All we did last year was have a losing year only to screw up a lottery pick!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-28-2005 3:05 PM]

I agree. Nate was the best player in the draft, but he's limited by his height. IMHO, I can't remember the last time I saw a team have a worse draft... at least from initial feeling. I pray that I'm wrong. I don't understand how you come out of a draft with one first rounder and pull out Ariza, then the next year with three first rounders you come up with Frye, Nate and Lee. It's baffling. Again, not trying to knock Nate, because I think he'll be a decent PG backup, but that's just it... a backup. When you have three first rounders and the best player you got is an NBA backup, you had an awful draft.

Disclaimer: The above was my perspective. I know many think differently.


Nice to know there's someone out there who sees it the same way. Someone who's actually sane lol I've also been a lot more excited about Nate since Day 1 but like you said he's a backup PG and will be lucky to get 10mins behind Marbury & Crawford. But to waste the your #1 pick on a 20mins a game role player who you drafted because you thought he was more nba ready then certain other 7'1 280LB skilled beasts disappointed the hell out of me and totally took away my excitement going into this year since I thought we;d finally get that tough 2-way frontcourt potential stud player we so desperetely need. instead we draft a finesse PF who will be lucky to see 25mins in his nba career because of his lack of rebounding, defense and foul woos. but he! he can run and shoot like Kurt Thomas Yall!


Guns - Bynum is not a beast. He's a big kid who may or may not one day be a player. I get so tired of hearing about a guy who is at best a 1 in 5 shot of ever being anything talked about like the Knicks passed up Shaq. The guy was picked 10th and he's 7'1 280 so obviously people saw a lot not to like - along with the potential.

I'm mixed on Channing. But Bynum hasn't done anything so far but be big. ( You mock K. Thomas but I think there's a well better the 50% chance that Bynum doesn't have a career nearly as good)
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9/28/2005  10:27 PM
OldFan, THANK YOU for taking the words out of my mouth. I am sick and tired of this "oh we passed up bynum for an underachieving guy." You know what, I will go out on a limb and say that bynum will never become a star player. There, I said that. You know why I said that? Because he's got a much better chance of being a career scrub or role player than a shaq-like superstar. I am a NJ resident. I heard things about bynum while he was in HS that were extremely negative as opposed to all this pure hype and worship that is found everywhere on these forums. This guy is a HUGE project. That is one thing you can be sure of. So lay off praising bynum (directly or indirectly) like he is a guaranteed shaq 2 monster.

[Edited by - teslawlo on 09-28-2005 10:39 PM]
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9/28/2005  10:33 PM
He'll play and contribute. Don't underestimate how hard he will work.
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9/28/2005  10:49 PM
no one expects bynum to be as good as shaq. the question is will he have a better career than Frye and I'll go out on the limb and say YES! why? well for one at 17 he arguably out played a 22yr old in every aspect other than jumpshooting and running the floor which championship bigman don't do. They post up, play great low poat defense and blocks shots and contain other 280LB NBA centers and PFs
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9/28/2005  10:53 PM
if he gives us 10/10 he gets us Camby numbers from last year. 11/10 and he's kurt thomas from last year.

I'd sh!t myself if he came out of the gates...heck, I'd take his summer league numbers of 15/10 (or okafur this last year)
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9/28/2005  10:59 PM
Damn!!!! Can we all wait a couple of years to compare the production of those two big men? For what it's worth, Frye may turn out to be as good as TD.
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9/28/2005  11:09 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Damn!!!! Can we all wait a couple of years to compare the production of those two big men? For what it's worth, Frye may turn out to be as good as TD.
I think he'll be a much better rebounder than Tony Delk!

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9/28/2005  11:11 PM
Posted by teslawlo:

OldFan, THANK YOU for taking the words out of my mouth. I am sick and tired of this "oh we passed up bynum for an underachieving guy." You know what, I will go out on a limb and say that bynum will never become a star player. There, I said that. You know why I said that? Because he's got a much better chance of being a career scrub or role player than a shaq-like superstar. I am a NJ resident. I heard things about bynum while he was in HS that were extremely negative as opposed to all this pure hype and worship that is found everywhere on these forums. This guy is a HUGE project. That is one thing you can be sure of. So lay off praising bynum (directly or indirectly) like he is a guaranteed shaq 2 monster.

[Edited by - teslawlo on 09-28-2005 10:39 PM]


well it seems like pete newell, tex winters, phil jackson, magic johnson, kareem abdul jabbar, jim calhoun, mitch kupchack all seem to feel he will be pretty good. thats a little better than some gossip i "heerd in New jerzeey* bynum will play minutes this year and at 17 years old, there will be some good and some bad--but hes a solid 3 years away from being what he will be--although i firmly believe by next year--18-19 years old--he will be getting 20-24 min a night and starting to show it real well. i mean he did average 12 pts 8 reb 2 blocks in summer league at 17 years old, you dont do that if you sck. that shows the tip of the iceberg--i know what the kid is, i saw what he could do in person and i know he will be a superstar.
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9/28/2005  11:21 PM
Brigg, Bynum is not a Knick. Let's adore our players instead....
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9/29/2005  12:13 AM
I think Frye's output could eventually parallel that of Rasheed Wallace. Wallace's career started out slowly. He never became a truly dominant scorer/rebounder/blocker in spite of his relatively similar build/athleticism to Duncan and Garnett.

While he never quite reached superstardom (tho the contracts he signed certainly were pretty hefty), he became the missing ingredient to Detroit's team.

I think he could become the "good guy" version of Rashweed.

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9/29/2005  1:33 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by diderotn:

Damn!!!! Can we all wait a couple of years to compare the production of those two big men? For what it's worth, Frye may turn out to be as good as TD.
I think he'll be a much better rebounder than Tony Delk!


good one Bonn!
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9/29/2005  4:31 AM
Former Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy likes to say that if a rookie first-rounder can't excel in the summer league, it's an alarming sign.
The Knicks hope Van Gundy is wrong.

I don't think Van Gundy is wrong. I agree completely with that assessment. The competition in summer leagues is weak. Even Lampe excelled. I do agree with the comparison to Nesterovic. Frye has never been a good rebounder - 7.7 per game in college is bad since rebounding numbers go down when a college player goes to the nba. Also, he had serious defensive problems against summer league players. That's a big concern.
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9/29/2005  8:58 AM
Yeah, the concern is definitely on D and rebounding. And I like his athletic ability and think he's got a good head on his shoulders, so I think the D will come. Not sure about the rebounding.

I'm not too worried about him not "Dominating" on offense. Plenty of very good players just don't have mindset/personality to dominate. They want to be part of the team, to contribute, to give other guys a chance too. Frye didn't dominate in college either, but he was plenty effective. You need more completmentary players than guys who like to dominate.

Some guys can dominate against weak competition, and then ratchet it back and play an effective complementary role when playing with better teammates against better competition. Others are only good when they can dominate the ball. Some guys who play a complementary role with mediocre team against mediocre competition actually get better when their teammates are better, even if the competition gets better too. Maybe that's Channing.
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9/29/2005  9:01 AM
If we wait, we'll find out!
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9/29/2005  9:21 AM
Exactly.

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If we wait, we'll find out!


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