He did look like he had a little gut and some flashes of man breasts, but his arms looked absolutely positively diesel. And I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I always thought Marbury was fine, in terms of the shape he's in. I mean, I saw him posting up guards a lot last year, but it's not like we need that. I hope he hasn't lost his quickness, but if he did, we have Nate and Crawford, which is an added bonus. 35 mpg should be what he plays next season. We now have the talent to survive when he's not on the court, and Crawford is a year older.

Listen to Germaine O' Neal....Why can't one of our leaders come out and say the same exact thing??? To me, a team that really wants to win, does the little things to get there.

That's one reason O'Neal urged teammates to return to Indianapolis a couple of weeks early for voluntary workouts at Conseco Fieldhouse. Camp opens Tuesday, and the Pacers again are considered an Eastern Conference contender along with the Miami Heat and Detroit Pistons.

"I thought it would be a good idea for the guys to come back and get a better feel for each other," O'Neal said. "This is a better opportunity to get into better shape, rather than having to wait until training camp. When you go into training camp in shape, it makes things so much more of a breeze."


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050928/SPORTS04/509280394/1088

[Edited by - diderotn on 09-28-2005 11:23 AM]

Kurt is the one that couldn't get along with Marb. He complained about the fact that Marb had direct contact with Zeke; That is why it was important to get rid of Kurt.

Here is that statement again....Marb is not a me first type of player. He proved over and over again that he is willing to share the spotlight....

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by diderotn:

Kurt is the one that couldn't get along with Marb. He complained about the fact that Marb had direct contact with Zeke; That is why it was important to get rid of Kurt.

Thats leadership! He wanted to smash Marbs for the good of the team. Not all leadership examples are postitive rah rah lets get together stuff! Marbs was "me first" and KT did not like it!

he shared it with Crawff, Amare, Marion and many others...Now, can you say the same for Kobe and Iverson...??

I agree that Marb has yet to do anything to prove that he is a leader, because I still believe that he could and should have tried to do a lot more to get guys like Jerome James, Fryes, Lee and Q on the court voluntarily to begin bunding. But, for you to say that Kobe and Allan have both been to the finals is absurd. Let me see, Kobe finally made it to the finals with the Diesel and Phil Jackson as his coach; in fact, once those two have left, Kobe failed miserably. Allan made it to the finals with the tutoring of Larry Brown and a hell of a supportive cast, hmmm he failed to go past the first round since the departure of Brown. Marb has yet to have been exposed to the quality coaching and supportive cast that both Kobe and Allan were exposed too. Let see how he does next year, than you can call him selfish. Let's be fair to Marb....

If you were to say that both Allan and Kobe are better leaders than Marb, I would have agreed, but they are both as selfish if not more than Marburry.

[Edited by - diderotn on 09-28-2005 11:19 PM]

I agree...Marb has a lot to prove as a leader...but, I am pretty sure with the help of both Zeke and Larry, he will get there. I am still shocked by the fact that he didn't take the opportunity of having a bunch of new players to establish himself as a leader right from the start. If I were at his position (Captain), especially given the fact that my team has a bunch of new players and a very demanding coach, I would have taken it upon myself to rally the new guys and others in N.Y. to begin training together as early as possible. Whether it was lifting weight or conditioning, I would have found a way to make it happen. Hearing that Marb is in Phoenix working out with Amare and others after such a horrible season is disappointing to me.

Marb needs a good right hand man to help him recognize these attributes. Yes, it is cool to party together, but it is more important to train together. I hope that I am wrong, but hearing that other teams have gathered to conduct voluntary training, while my Knicks are scattered all over the places really doesn't sit well with me.

Well, that is good news Martin.