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Paxson said today that they will NOT sign Eddie curry to any contract
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oohah
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9/23/2005  7:03 PM
I want Eddy Curry.....but maybe the reason he plays hard one day and sucks the next is because of this heart condition......well obviously it is.
He definately fills a need as far as size and interior scoring. I don't need to see this kid die on the court. I still remember Reggie Lewis fell to the floor with Larry Johnson reaching down towards him not knowing what had happened but his expression said it all.......that was a scary moment.

Lewis was one of my favorite players and I cried like a baby when he died.
Drazen was also one of my favorites too and he died not too far apart from Reggie.

I still get a feeling of sorrow when I see this picture:

Enyspree, I guess we have more in common than a f$$ked up knee. I had sportschannel when Petro played (back then you had to pay for it separately.) and I watched almost every game of his short Nets career. He was really good. In fact he was the best player on the team in my opinion, better than Kenny Anderson or DC. He should have made the all-star team. I tell you he could out-shoot Stojakavic any day. And the MF was clutch and tough! The Nets should not have been cheap with the contract money. His was such tragic death, because it just didn't have to happen.

oohah

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9/23/2005  8:53 PM
If he dies, is he still on the cap?

We have had all kinds of people on the payroll.

Lots of dead weight, but never a dead player!

But he is from chicago!
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9/23/2005  8:58 PM
this is a possible scenario on how it will play out...

h20 will retire.
we will get the injury exception (in this case, the MLE).
and we will give it to curry.

curry NOT taking the DNA test may be on purpose so that paxson does not bring him back and renouncing the qualifying offer. this will make curry an unrestricted free agent and able to sign in ny with his best buddy in the world - jamal crawford.
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9/23/2005  9:05 PM
I'm all for getting Curry. My feeling is that his heart condition won't be a hirewire act. He will need to be monitored of course but with todays medicine I see no reason why he can't be much more effective than he ever was in Chicago. This guy has to be keenly interested in playing for someone that really wants him and respects him.

Now the following is pure speculation (actually the above is too ).

I think Curry is not taking a DNA test because he wants to expedite getting out of Chicago. I think that the way the coaching staff and management has treated him has been less than respectful. Isiah will treat him with respect and I assure all that Jamal's been in his ear the whole time. Now the biggie is.....LB. LB will take Curry to the next level and Curry knows it. The heart situation is just a convenient way out.

Isiah, make it happen.
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9/23/2005  9:11 PM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Now the biggie is.....LB. LB will take Curry to the next level and Curry knows it. The heart situation is just a convenient way out.

Isiah, make it happen.

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9/23/2005  9:51 PM
Damn, I really wish we had that full MLE right now. Anyway, I hope we can find a way to cash in on this. This is the type of risk that we have to take. I will gladly give them San Antonio's pick for Curry, I definitely wouldn't give them Sweetney at this point.
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9/23/2005  11:12 PM
We don't have enough time to wait around for Houston to retire. That would have to happen right about now....and you know Dolan wouldn't do that to his bestest friend in the whole wide world.

We have no $$$ to offer - which proves that, while being under the cap is never necessary, refusing to can be a handicap every once in awhile.

Here's what I'd offer Pax at this point - Sweets + Penny for Curry( 5 yrs. 30 Mill) + A. Davis

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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9/24/2005  10:19 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

I'm all for getting Curry. My feeling is that his heart condition won't be a hirewire act. He will need to be monitored of course but with todays medicine I see no reason why he can't be much more effective than he ever was in Chicago. This guy has to be keenly interested in playing for someone that really wants him and respects him.

Now the following is pure speculation (actually the above is too ).

I think Curry is not taking a DNA test because he wants to expedite getting out of Chicago. I think that the way the coaching staff and management has treated him has been less than respectful. Isiah will treat him with respect and I assure all that Jamal's been in his ear the whole time. Now the biggie is.....LB. LB will take Curry to the next level and Curry knows it. The heart situation is just a convenient way out.

Isiah, make it happen.

Great post, Junkmein. I see Curry usung this situation as just the leverage he needs in order to force the Bulls to move him.

I see us giving him a deal that would contain enough games played/performace-based incentives for the Knicks' invemstment to be at least partially protected.

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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9/24/2005  11:50 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

FYI: the QO is already out there. If that wasnt an option for Curry he would be unrestricted right now. UNLESS there is language in the new CBA about this kind of physical. Pax hinted at that but it seems like a stretch

yup, right now, IF the bulls don't pull the offer, it AUTOMATICALLY kicks in on september 30th and he stays a bull for a year and becomes a free agent.

something may go down in an 11th hour type of thing.

best bet...golden states swoops in and trades their $5.2mil trade exemption for a 3-4 year deal for him.

Yea, golden state seems like the best bet with that exception and I'm sure that Paxson would rather trade Curry out West than trading him to us where he would really feel the heat if Curry all of a sudden put everything together.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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9/24/2005  4:35 PM
Fans, please stop. Curry is not that good of a player. The guy has health issues and Zeke is not crazy enough to invest mega money on a guy who is reluctant to take a physical. If there wasn't anything wrong with him, he would have been willing to show the world that he is worthy of a contract. Paxon isn't stupid...
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9/24/2005  4:55 PM
Pax overplayed his card.

He more or less offended Curry by lowballing him bigtime.

And I think Isiah is thinking exactly the opposite that you say he is. When a Big man of Curry's caliber becomes available, especially on the cheap, you take a chance on him. Curry isn't looking for big money, he's looking for guaranteed money. He just wants the respect of a contract, to know that someone wants him. That man is Isiah.

Once Isiah shows that kind of respect (and I'm talking about MLE money via S&T), than he'll more than likely take w/e tests Isiah asks of him, seeing as how he's getting a guaranteed, longterm salary. Isiah takes the risk b/c, even if he can't play Curry right away, atleast he knows he's locked and not going anywhere. If he needs medication, physical therapy, hell, even surgery, then so be it. But we would've gotten a big man of his caliber and potential on the cheap. At the most, if he had to sit out, it would be for a year. Even then, it's not like his 5-6 Mill a year would be "tying us up" exactly.

The potential rewards outweigh the risks IMO...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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9/24/2005  6:45 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Fans, please stop. Curry is not that good of a player. The guy has health issues and Zeke is not crazy enough to invest mega money on a guy who is reluctant to take a physical. If there wasn't anything wrong with him, he would have been willing to show the world that he is worthy of a contract. Paxon isn't stupid...

Please man, what are you talking about. Curry can put the ball in the hole better than probably any other big man outside of Shaq, Duncan, Amare and Garnett. Not a good player....come on. I don't see how you can give Tiny Tim a pass for most of last season (and I definitely recall you cutting him slack) and take issue with Curry (and KT). Is he lacking from a rebounds standpoint....yes, at 22 years old he has work to do..but not a good player....Geez. Everytime we've played the Bulls he's ripped us a new one with the exception of the one game they had Sweetney (300 pound Sweets at that) covering him. Two years ago I saw the kid score like 10 hoops in a row in only the first half against us. When the second half got going Skiles didn't go to him at all. Skiles ain't LB. LB will take this kid to another level and Isiah will allow him to be himself. Let this dude grow into his skin.

I have been over on the Realgm Bulls board and I think it's just plain'ol ridiculous the way those knuckleheads talk about this guy. Like he's a child or something. They don't deserve him because they don't even respect this guy as a man.

Take a DNA Test yada yada. It's all Bollshet. It ain't got nothing to do with watching out for his health. It ain't got nothing to do with the Bulls covering themselves by knowing that he might have a prediposition for some kind of genetic heart defect. Bobs is right....Paxson when it all comes down to it is no different than any other GM in that he tried to get the best deal for the organization by undermining this kids intelligence. Now Paxson is paying for that mistake dearly as he tries to spin the whole sordid scene..."taking the test is in Eddy's best interest". BollShet, it's in Jerry's best interest.

The only thing in Curry's best interest is to get the hell outta Chicago and away from his family and entourage so he can find his bearings.

It's all about the Bulls wanting to offer this kid less money than they would have if he hadn't had this episode last year and nothing else. It's all about the Money....Period. If he falls out on the court then let it be because he made the call...not the team. And no, traumatized children shouldn't be the reason he doesn't play...hell, NYC kids have seen worse Plus, what's good for Golden States kids is good for our kids (although I seriously doubt Eddy would okay a trade to GS)

For those that are interested click on the photo link on the Curry page. Compare the photos from last year to the main photo on his player page. I tell you, if this kid gets to NYC he's gonna be like Godzilla rumbling down 5th Avenue with a cappuchino in his hand (yes, he'll be a little quirky but that's NYC for ya ). http://www.nba.com/playerfile/eddy_curry/index.html?nav=page

Go get'em Isiah and let LB work his magic.




[Edited by - junkmein on 09-24-2005 7:16 PM]
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9/24/2005  7:17 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Fans, please stop. Curry is not that good of a player.

do you ever know what you are talking about?


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9/24/2005  8:29 PM
Plus, he's only 22.
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9/24/2005  9:29 PM
Who would you trade for Curry? I certainly wouldn't want to trade Sweetney for Curry at this point, especially given the fact that he has health issues. Last season, before he was diagnosed with the heart issues, I was all for such a move, but not right now. It's a risk that I am pretty sure that Zeke will not be willing to take. Some of you are insane. You want to take a gamble on Curry with a bad heart, but you want to bitch about obtaining Jerome James....

[Edited by - diderotn on 09-24-2005 9:30 PM]
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9/24/2005  9:48 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Who would you trade for Curry? I certainly wouldn't want to trade Sweetney for Curry at this point, especially given the fact that he has health issues. Last season, before he was diagnosed with the heart issues, I was all for such a move, but not right now. It's a risk that I am pretty sure that Zeke will not be willing to take. Some of you are insane. You want to take a gamble on Curry with a bad heart, but you want to bitch about obtaining Jerome James....

[Edited by - diderotn on 09-24-2005 9:30 PM]

Yes, it's insane to want trade for a 22 year old potentially dominant center on a team that will have no cap room in the near future, and will likely never get a top three pick because they have too many decent players who will be coached by a guy who has historically gotten his teams to overachieve.

Is it a high risk/reward proposition? Of course, but we have no choice but to trust Isiah to take prudent, well informed risks.

Jerome James is 30. The best we can hope for out of him is that he be decent, i.e., doesn't foul out in 20 minutes.
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9/24/2005  10:21 PM
Honestly..... I really can't understand how any Knick fan could just stand there like a snob and act like we have the right to NOT take risks at this point.

Ya...like this team is really set to even make the playoffs. Please.

Talent is talent...no matter how you slice it. Youth is youth. And dominance is dominance. Curry is all 3. And he's only 22. Lemme give you a hint Dido -- He's not gonna get worse.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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9/24/2005  11:00 PM
wish we had the MLE to offer Mr. Curry.

I would like to get him. I don't know how we can though. I'd like him to take a DNA test for us, but I'd take a risk on him. any word as to whether the Bulls think that Sweetney offer looks any better?
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9/25/2005  3:59 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Who would you trade for Curry? I certainly wouldn't want to trade Sweetney for Curry at this point, especially given the fact that he has health issues. Last season, before he was diagnosed with the heart issues, I was all for such a move, but not right now. It's a risk that I am pretty sure that Zeke will not be willing to take. Some of you are insane. You want to take a gamble on Curry with a bad heart, but you want to bitch about obtaining Jerome James....

[Edited by - diderotn on 09-24-2005 9:30 PM]

We won't have to trade for Curry if you picked up on the sentiments of my post to you. I am adamant against trading Sweetney for anyone realistic until after the coming season (check my previous posts) as I think he's going to have a breakout year. I personally have never typed James name before now if I recall correctly.

You see, GS wants Curry but he has to agree to it. I think Curry would rather be on the east coast. All he has to say is I won't report to said team and Chicago can't move unless the receiving team (GS) can convince that player to report. Boston was able to convince Payton year before last and Toronto was unsuccessful with Mourning last year. It happens all the time.

The way this situation is working out is that Paxson has taken the 3 year offer (loaded with BS incentives) off of the table and trashed/insulted him and his management team because Curry won't take that DNA test. The results won't make them any more aware of his oncourt situation than they are now as he has to be monitored from here on out anyway. As Bobs said Paxson has severely overplayed his hand.

Consequently, Paxson has extended the QO and Curry has refused to sign it. On Sept 30th it kicks in automatically. However, Paxson has said that even with the QO Curry won't play if he doesn't take the DNA test (overplay) and that he might pursue legal means to force him (really bad overplay and "stupid"). Curry's lawyer swatted that crap right back to him (like an Agassi forehand) and said it ain't happening regardless what Paxson is requesting and that he forsees the Players association getting in on it due to the Privacy issues involved.

Dido, the next part is very important.....If Paxson pulls the QO offer off the table Curry immediately becomes a UFA.

I have to disagree with you about Isiah. Isiah is just that crazy.....crazy like a fox When he said he's monitoring the situation he was telling the truth. It's possible that we won't have to give up much of anyone of consequence for Curry.

So, the question is does Paxson (who did something "stupid") put up with Curry on the bench being a distraction for the whole year and lose him for nothing (because most teams will offer crumbs without the test) or does he set him free by pulling the QO off the table.

You see Paxson's insistence on the DNA test (stupid move) has undermined the Bulls own negotiating position with Curry and other GMs in that other teams can simply say i'm gonna lowball you on this because he won't take the test that you say is so important. The Bulls have very little leverage. Curry won't resign with them next season and consequently has most of the leverage because people his size with that skill level at his age are at a premium.....despite his heart issues.

"Eddy should put his health first".....please, all BS It's all about lowballing this kid on his contract and now that position has blown up in their faces.

Bobs, how you like Curry with that rice?

Go get'em Zeke (who really is crazy like a fox) and let LB work his magic





[Edited by - junkmein on 09-25-2005 04:44 AM]
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9/25/2005  3:53 PM
Trying to be fair, I'd say the only offer Pax would consider, and that has us giving up JUST enough, but still far below Curry's value, is

Penny, Sweetney

for

Curry(6 Mill a year / ??? years), A. Davis


whereby Isiah would agree to release Davis so that Chicago could resign him with the Vet. Min, seeing as they need as many Centers as possible.


Just to add to what Junk was saying...I really hope some of you Curry nay-sayers wisen up, b/c with the team as its currently constructed, we won't be under the cap for 4 years, and besides Marbury, we don't really have any significant leverage over the other good teams in the East. We're set to be better than mediocre, but not much better than the 8th seed...


And yes.....gimme some Curry with that rice. Throw in some hot sauce while ur at it...

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
Paxson said today that they will NOT sign Eddie curry to any contract

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