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I still say we fckd up drafting Lee over Gomes
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9/15/2005  9:41 AM
I don't know who we should have picked. It's way to early to say. All I know is that everywhere Lee goes noone expects anything in the beginning. But by the time the summer league or camp is over everyone is raving about him. That's all I know.
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9/15/2005  10:20 AM
I like David Lee. Maybe Gomes will do well in the league, but we have Ariza and Q and Tim to hold down the SF. Lee can play some SF and some PF. He'll be good to guard more mobile bigs that play outside like Dirk and Sheed. I think Lee will see a lot of time this season. I'm not sure Gomes would have.
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9/15/2005  10:21 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Dont sell Lee or his versatility and ability to learn different things short. They expected nothing from him in the SL as they knew they were playing him out of position at the 3 and they said they were blown away as he was able to defend smaller players and his passing skills were very advanced. Gomes is a guy that used hos muscle very well at the CBB level but thats going to be tough to do in the NBA. Gomes looks like a Malik Rose type at this level.

Also Lee I think Lee did everything he could to earn his way into round 1, but he's an elite athlete

I agree fish, lee is an elite athlete, and forget the fact he doesn't shoot 3's that is great, this is a guy who knows how to maximize his talents, who knows his game, to me this is what makes elite athletes good ball players. I mean don't we scream for guys like Tim Thomas to play tougher, to play closer to the hoop, to rebound, do we think that TT is utilizing his skill and size to the full? I don't. This is what I like about lee, he knows what he is, and knows his ability and he uses it to the full, which I think will make him a fine player in LB's system..


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9/15/2005  10:26 AM
Isiah is fixated on guys who can play multiple positions and guys who are athletic. This could turn out very well. If Lee's a 3/4, Frye's a 4/5, Reezy's a 2/3, Craw's a 1/2, Nate's a 1/2, Q's a 2/3, that's looking pretty good. I'd say we still have to target 1 or 2 more 4/5's.
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9/15/2005  10:49 AM
Posted by Marv:

Isiah is fixated on guys who can play multiple positions and guys who are athletic. This could turn out very well. If Lee's a 3/4, Frye's a 4/5, Reezy's a 2/3, Craw's a 1/2, Nate's a 1/2, Q's a 2/3, that's looking pretty good. I'd say we still have to target 1 or 2 more 4/5's.

Versatility is a wonderful thing. It provides the flexibility to mix up the lineups according to the opposition. This is another way we can avoid having the opposition key in on certain players to exploit their weaknesses.


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9/15/2005  11:14 AM
How about Frye he has done nothing to disprove he is a french frie, soft, foul prone, terrible rebounder, I would have taken Granger, Lee is a nice player but not for the Knicks we have too many roster spots filled already he would have been better to take a project like Blachte that will be ready in three-four when the cap is in order
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9/15/2005  11:40 AM
Posted by MS:

How about Frye he has done nothing to disprove he is a french frie, soft, foul prone, terrible rebounder, I would have taken Granger, Lee is a nice player but not for the Knicks we have too many roster spots filled already he would have been better to take a project like Blachte that will be ready in three-four when the cap is in order


I don't know about that, I would take the best player available. I don't think Blatche proved he was the best player available in his workouts, he was schooled hard by Bynum twice, but Ryan Gomes has a huge body of work, he was a star in the Big east--he wasnt a complimentary player, but rather a go to guy who had to face double and tripel teaming. Lee is versatile---Gomes is a versatile skill player who dominated the BE for 3 years and also re-focused his game out to the perimeter. I was looking back at it, and I think when all is said and done, Ryan Gomes was the BPA at 30, and I think he will have a serious chance to be in the running for rookie of the year on that young Celtic team because he could very well start.
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9/15/2005  11:42 AM
Posted by MS:

How about Frye he has done nothing to disprove he is a french frie, soft, foul prone, terrible rebounder, I would have taken Granger, Lee is a nice player but not for the Knicks we have too many roster spots filled already he would have been better to take a project like Blachte that will be ready in three-four when the cap is in order


And in what manner did you want Frye to disprove that he isnt a frenchfry when they havent played any games yet? Does he have to get into a barfight or something to prove you wrong before he even steps foot onto an NBA court? What makes you so sure that Blatche is a real deal and would be ready when the "cap is in order" - which it never will be in New York. When you draft you don't pass on players because your roster is "full", I would venture to guess that Lee will probably end up being worth a little less the half our roster after this season. Again... how do you expect Frye to disprove ANYTHING when he hasn't even played in an NBA game yet!

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-15-2005 11:43 AM]
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9/15/2005  12:21 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by MS:

How about Frye he has done nothing to disprove he is a french frie, soft, foul prone, terrible rebounder, I would have taken Granger, Lee is a nice player but not for the Knicks we have too many roster spots filled already he would have been better to take a project like Blachte that will be ready in three-four when the cap is in order


And in what manner did you want Frye to disprove that he isnt a frenchfry when they havent played any games yet? Does he have to get into a barfight or something to prove you wrong before he even steps foot onto an NBA court? What makes you so sure that Blatche is a real deal and would be ready when the "cap is in order" - which it never will be in New York. When you draft you don't pass on players because your roster is "full", I would venture to guess that Lee will probably end up being worth a little less the half our roster after this season. Again... how do you expect Frye to disprove ANYTHING when he hasn't even played in an NBA game yet!

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-15-2005 11:43 AM]



Frye will be fine. I would rather be sitting here with Bynum, but these are our cards and I felt Frye was worthy of a late lotto---if you look at what went behind us and what we need, other than Bynum, Frye made the most sense at 8. Frye still has a plain in terms of potential because of his length and offensive skills
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9/15/2005  12:45 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


Frye will be fine. I would rather be sitting here with Bynum, but these are our cards and I felt Frye was worthy of a late lotto---if you look at what went behind us and what we need, other than Bynum, Frye made the most sense at 8. Frye still has a plain in terms of potential because of his length and offensive skills

I agree Briggs. I hate with a passion the hype that you give Bynum but he's a big kid with a ton of raw skill and I would have been just as happy picking him instead of Frye but like you said, we got Frye and thats what we're going to run with... literally. I think Frye made more sense to Zeke becuase of his plans for the offense and the same goes for Nate and Lee and thats fine because for the first time in probably 5 years the Knicks are putting together a style of play instead of just mashing talent together and hope something happens. I just wish everyone would give Frye a chance in one full NBA season before he is dissed for what his percieved limitations are and aren't, I have full faith that Isiah saw something in Frye and knew that he could the young fella to the point where he's a damn good NBA player.


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9/15/2005  12:46 PM
Saw both of them in the Summer League and like Lee much better. Gomes is a nice player but he doesn't have very good length for his skill set; I don't think his game will translate very well to the NBA. Frye will be fine....bring him off the bench @ the 4 spot, let him get acclimated and start him @ the end of the year or next year and you're going to have a solid (not great) PF for 10 years. He is not a center; that's why it was smart to bring in a beefy C to help protect him; my thoughts are that Sweetney should be the backup 5 behind James.
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9/15/2005  1:13 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:


Frye will be fine. I would rather be sitting here with Bynum, but these are our cards and I felt Frye was worthy of a late lotto---if you look at what went behind us and what we need, other than Bynum, Frye made the most sense at 8. Frye still has a plain in terms of potential because of his length and offensive skills

I agree Briggs. I hate with a passion the hype that you give Bynum but he's a big kid with a ton of raw skill and I would have been just as happy picking him instead of Frye but like you said, we got Frye and thats what we're going to run with... literally. I think Frye made more sense to Zeke becuase of his plans for the offense and the same goes for Nate and Lee and thats fine because for the first time in probably 5 years the Knicks are putting together a style of play instead of just mashing talent together and hope something happens. I just wish everyone would give Frye a chance in one full NBA season before he is dissed for what his percieved limitations are and aren't, I have full faith that Isiah saw something in Frye and knew that he could the young fella to the point where he's a damn good NBA player.



It's not hype, I believe that Bynum was the best player in the draft, even better than Bogut and I really like Bogut.


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9/15/2005  2:32 PM
Frye is a highly skilled player. Its not like he's a one trick pony. He may not be a monster on the boards, but his overall game will make up for this. In terms of playing up to the challenge. Frye gets HIGH marks. Just look at his games against the best players during the season and how he performed in the NCAA Tourney. He was awesome. This says it all about Frye and why he should be a solid pick for us:

"Frye was a four-year starter at Arizona, where he scored 1,789 points and grabbed 975 rebounds. As a senior he averaged 15.8 points, 7.6 rebounds and 2.3 blocked shots, shooting 55.4 percent from the field and 83 percent from the foul line. Some of his best games were against his best opponents: 19 points and nine rebounds against Utah's Andrew Bogut, 18 and 16 against Mississippi State's Lawrence Roberts, 20 and 13 against Stanford's Matt Haryasz.

Frye's stock probably started its ascent in the NCAA Tournament, where in four games he averaged 15.5 points, 9.8 rebounds and 4.3 blocks, and shot 65 percent from the floor. It continued last week in Chicago, where Frye hoisted 185 pounds on the bench press 19 times -- seven more than burly Sean May, and only two less than monstrous Ike Diogu."

At least he steps up and plays better when the pressure is on. Isn't that something to be happy about. If he ever does get better at rebounding, then we'll be talking about a near All Star, cuz the rest of his game is going to be just fine.
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9/15/2005  2:54 PM
"and only two less than monstrous Ike Diogu"

Still wish we went that route... water under the bridge
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9/15/2005  3:05 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Frye is a highly skilled player. Its not like he's a one trick pony. He may not be a monster on the boards, but his overall game will make up for this. In terms of playing up to the challenge. Frye gets HIGH marks. Just look at his games against the best players during the season and how he performed in the NCAA Tourney. He was awesome. This says it all about Frye and why he should be a solid pick for us:

"Frye was a four-year starter at Arizona, where he scored 1,789 points and grabbed 975 rebounds. As a senior he averaged 15.8 points, 7.6 rebounds and 2.3 blocked shots, shooting 55.4 percent from the field and 83 percent from the foul line. Some of his best games were against his best opponents: 19 points and nine rebounds against Utah's Andrew Bogut, 18 and 16 against Mississippi State's Lawrence Roberts, 20 and 13 against Stanford's Matt Haryasz.

Frye's stock probably started its ascent in the NCAA Tournament, where in four games he averaged 15.5 points, 9.8 rebounds and 4.3 blocks, and shot 65 percent from the floor. It continued last week in Chicago, where Frye hoisted 185 pounds on the bench press 19 times -- seven more than burly Sean May, and only two less than monstrous Ike Diogu."

At least he steps up and plays better when the pressure is on. Isn't that something to be happy about. If he ever does get better at rebounding, then we'll be talking about a near All Star, cuz the rest of his game is going to be just fine.



Nice post.... I agree, is shows that frye is not afraid to step up big whenit counts...
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9/15/2005  3:07 PM
fish i'm issuing you a challenge - superfrye v. hungry ike. don't they meet twice in the first 5 games?

winner gets to . . . hmmm, let's see . . .

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9/15/2005  3:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:


Frye will be fine. I would rather be sitting here with Bynum, but these are our cards and I felt Frye was worthy of a late lotto---if you look at what went behind us and what we need, other than Bynum, Frye made the most sense at 8. Frye still has a plain in terms of potential because of his length and offensive skills

I agree Briggs. I hate with a passion the hype that you give Bynum but he's a big kid with a ton of raw skill and I would have been just as happy picking him instead of Frye but like you said, we got Frye and thats what we're going to run with... literally. I think Frye made more sense to Zeke becuase of his plans for the offense and the same goes for Nate and Lee and thats fine because for the first time in probably 5 years the Knicks are putting together a style of play instead of just mashing talent together and hope something happens. I just wish everyone would give Frye a chance in one full NBA season before he is dissed for what his percieved limitations are and aren't, I have full faith that Isiah saw something in Frye and knew that he could the young fella to the point where he's a damn good NBA player.



It's not hype, I believe that Bynum was the best player in the draft, even better than Bogut and I really like Bogut.

Bynum could be a bust too. Who knows? What if he develops a Curry like arrhythmia? Who knows man, who knows?
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9/15/2005  3:10 PM
Posted by fishmike:

"and only two less than monstrous Ike Diogu"

Still wish we went that route... water under the bridge

Diogu is 6'6"
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9/15/2005  3:32 PM
then Frye is 6'7 because his standing reach was measured at 1 inch shorter than Frye's. Your point?
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9/15/2005  3:33 PM
man has a 7'4 wingspan.
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