Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Nalod:



Tru madea a good point, cut if off with ewing and all arguements are equal. I would have to agree that while Oak and Allan were great and had long service, they pale to Patricks career. That should be the standard. 10 years with HOF, or 10 years with a championship.

We could cut it off with Ewing......but this talk of Houston getting it before Oak and Starks is ridiculous.

I also wonder about Dick Barnett too......he should not be up there. Still he is because he was apart of the Championship years here in NY. Same reason Oak and Starks should be up there. Oak and Starks didn't win any championships but they would have won something if not for Jordan, the Miami fiasco, and OJ Simpson, lol.

Houston never won anything either. The only time he played well was his run in 1999. After that playoff run he reverted back to his bitch ways.

I put starks a clear rung below Oak.

Bottom line is there was no title here. There were two years to get it done with no jordan. ANd there were years we could have beaten the bulls. We were not good enough! Sad, but true.

YOu don't retire numbers cuz we woulda coulda shoulda. Hardcore pointed out Oak had the years and stats that rank with the ALLTIME knick greats.

If Oak goes in, you kinda lower the bar a bit, and allan might get a nod too. Is it worth the price for Oak to have the honor if Allan gets it two? Just a thought.

Starks has provided many great moments, but not all of them associated with wins. Its a thin line between great and enshrined greatness. Even one 2-18 game!

We can agree to disagree what parameters can be set for that kind of honor.

Its always good to talk about the old days, and its cool you have fond memories! Enjoy them!

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by TRU:

Some girls like badboys. Others like prissy J-crew dudes.

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Grown men shouldn't be groupies.



[Edited by - tru on 09-14-2005 07:31 AM]

Let me tell you something. You are so lucky this is an internet forum because I would be in jail if you made that comment in my presence.

No one on here agrees all the time but we don't cross the line on here with lines like this......

I sincerly doubt it. Grow up. I was speaking figuratively.

Apparently some girls like to wine and complain, too.

Feel free to take it up with me when we all meet for the season opener.

Maybe you can be my groupie, too.



Keep it basketball. Hopefully Steph will take us close enough to put #3 in the rafters. He's long had the talent, now he has the talent around him. He's also got the disgruntled media-enemy image that in the long run will be endearing, particularly around these parts.

I agree: 10 years HOF

10 years, Championship

Rafters.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Nalod:

Funny, allan does not get the respect to get retired? HE was on this team for 9 years!

but then you say

If anynumber he gets retired with it should be number "100"! As in how many million he got paid on the last contract! That figure/symbol I think does more to harm his rep than anything.

Houston gets no love from me....I'm serious as a heart attack.....I will protest the Knicks if they consider it!!!! I will definately give up being a Knick fan.

Houston did not leave it out on the floor. He was a Knick 9 years? When he first got here Starks used to take his minutes in the fourth and Houston was a pure panty waste. Then 1999 playoff came and his scoring went way up along with Spree's be cause that's what they had. After that Houston the bitch came right back. Layden shakled his punk ass to the largest contract ever given to a guard!!!! Houston still is the highest paid shooting guard in the league. He is making Garnett money!!!

Fuck Allan Houston!!!!



[Edited by - enyspree on 09-13-2005 12:27 PM]

here we go with another anti- allan tirade. look, i don't know if allan deserves his number retired but i have and did respect him as a knick. in the beginning i did not like houston. he defered to ewing to much and did not score the way i liked. he wasn't aggressive and very passive. but when ewing went down with his injury, that is when houston stepped up. he, along with lj, helped this team make it to the playoffs when they were counted out. then they beat miami still without ewing. houston wasn't the whole reason but he was the main one. then in 99, he took his game to another level, outplaying marjele, steve smith and reggie miller. he not only had jumpshots but he was aggressive by taking it to the hole a lot more and guarding well ( his job on reggie miller was great). he was the reason we won at least one game in the finals, not spree, camby or lj.

then the next year came and he was still doing well until he had a sever ankle injury in the playoffs. did he sit out? no! he played on that wobbled ankle without complaining. we don't have to mention names but i can think of many " superstars" who would sit out. and he did not give his all? it was two years ago that he was in the top five for shooting guards in scoring? true spree did more but houston was more consistent at what he did and did well. people are blaming him for the fall of the knicks when they know that if ANY of them were in the same situation they would take the money too. you should blame dolan who chose to keep houston on our roster when we clearly had a way out with the amnesty clause.respect needs to be given.

Posted by EnySpree:

I blame the fall of the Knicks on Scott Layden. I just believe Houston is overrated. I love it when he does well it's just you can never say he will all the time. His jumpshot is his whole game. If he can't get his jumpshot off he is useless.

People complain about Tim Thomas(I'm one of them) but Houston falls under that catagory too. There is no reason Houston should not have averaged 25pts per game a few times in his career. He is not a player I feel proud of mentioning when I talk about the Knicks.

My opinion.

B. Nontheless i think that he was a great player.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Marv:

I think he was really getting comfortable being a go-to offensive player at that point and who knows, maybe he would have hit the vaunted 25 or even beyond that by now.

I took him long enough to get comfortable...What was he 31-32 at the time? a lottery team? Sheesh!

Makes you feel good about Knick James with him being 30 and all....maybe he will finally average 20pts per

Yea the real Big Game will be released this year. 20 per easy!!

Allan was what he was (note the past tense) but I still strongly believe he found his aggression in '02-'03 and i was thinking it would carry over and he'd build on it, but then came the injury.

Posted by Marv:

It's interesting to speculate how he would have been remembered here if he hadn't been given an obscene contract.