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9/3/2005  9:56 AM
To say Condoleeza Rice is merely a "token" is a joke. Any black person Bush would put in power you guys would easily find a way to call them a "token".
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Who do YOU think is more important to a guy like GW?

Turn on your tv and just observe.

Yes, the tv is always the messenger of truth...just sit back and observe and you will be wise!
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Posted by tkf:

kayne has a big mouth. I hate to make this a racial issue and I am black. I have a few questions to ask for all these uninformed entertainers.

California and their local govt officials, have put into place measures that prepares them for earth quakes, people stock up on food and water for emergencies, they raised taxes to pay for new earthquake proof highways and buildings and bridges, they are not waiting for the federal govt to do this, they are doing this on their own..

NO and it's city officials new about the problem with the levies, why didn't they raise the taxes, sell bonds, so that they could fund the levy project themselves? why did the mayor of NO deny a request to provide boats for the police department? Why didn't the people of NO who live under water basically prepare for such an event by storing water and non-perishable foods? for those that could afford it why not have a inflatable raft in your garage, and for those that couldn't why not pressure the local officials to supply one for those who couldn't afford it? I mean everyone is saying they knew this was going to happen, so why not prepare yourself? why wait for the fed govt? is it the job of the feds and the taxpayers nation wide to pay for the levies in NO?

I am not trying to be incensitive here because I have donated and as soon as I can I am going to take my friend and I, load up the pickup truck and bring food and supplies down there, this is something we all need to kick in and do. But to blame bush for this is insane, to say he and the govt are slacking because most of the victims are black is not fair IMO... These entertainers are into sensationalism, they will say anything to make a statement no matter how un-informed they are. I think they have a greater responsibility than that. Kayne and other who are trying to make this out to be a racial thing and a Bush bashing need to put that on the back burner..

Agreed, play the blame game later when all the facts come in--right now just help out and stop playing politics.

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Posted by tkf:

kayne has a big mouth. I hate to make this a racial issue and I am black. I have a few questions to ask for all these uninformed entertainers.

California and their local govt officials, have put into place measures that prepares them for earth quakes, people stock up on food and water for emergencies, they raised taxes to pay for new earthquake proof highways and buildings and bridges, they are not waiting for the federal govt to do this, they are doing this on their own..

NO and it's city officials new about the problem with the levies, why didn't they raise the taxes, sell bonds, so that they could fund the levy project themselves? why did the mayor of NO deny a request to provide boats for the police department? Why didn't the people of NO who live under water basically prepare for such an event by storing water and non-perishable foods? for those that could afford it why not have a inflatable raft in your garage, and for those that couldn't why not pressure the local officials to supply one for those who couldn't afford it? I mean everyone is saying they knew this was going to happen, so why not prepare yourself? why wait for the fed govt? is it the job of the feds and the taxpayers nation wide to pay for the levies in NO?

I am not trying to be incensitive here because I have donated and as soon as I can I am going to take my friend and I, load up the pickup truck and bring food and supplies down there, this is something we all need to kick in and do. But to blame bush for this is insane, to say he and the govt are slacking because most of the victims are black is not fair IMO... These entertainers are into sensationalism, they will say anything to make a statement no matter how un-informed they are. I think they have a greater responsibility than that. Kayne and other who are trying to make this out to be a racial thing and a Bush bashing need to put that on the back burner..


Good post TKF and God Bless you for donating and helping out when your able too.
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Posted by Knight:
Posted by tkf:

kayne has a big mouth. I hate to make this a racial issue and I am black. I have a few questions to ask for all these uninformed entertainers.

California and their local govt officials, have put into place measures that prepares them for earth quakes, people stock up on food and water for emergencies, they raised taxes to pay for new earthquake proof highways and buildings and bridges, they are not waiting for the federal govt to do this, they are doing this on their own..

NO and it's city officials new about the problem with the levies, why didn't they raise the taxes, sell bonds, so that they could fund the levy project themselves? why did the mayor of NO deny a request to provide boats for the police department? Why didn't the people of NO who live under water basically prepare for such an event by storing water and non-perishable foods? for those that could afford it why not have a inflatable raft in your garage, and for those that couldn't why not pressure the local officials to supply one for those who couldn't afford it? I mean everyone is saying they knew this was going to happen, so why not prepare yourself? why wait for the fed govt? is it the job of the feds and the taxpayers nation wide to pay for the levies in NO?

I am not trying to be incensitive here because I have donated and as soon as I can I am going to take my friend and I, load up the pickup truck and bring food and supplies down there, this is something we all need to kick in and do. But to blame bush for this is insane, to say he and the govt are slacking because most of the victims are black is not fair IMO... These entertainers are into sensationalism, they will say anything to make a statement no matter how un-informed they are. I think they have a greater responsibility than that. Kayne and other who are trying to make this out to be a racial thing and a Bush bashing need to put that on the back burner..

Agreed, play the blame game later when all the facts come in--right now just help out and stop playing politics.

exactly, there will be time for the blame game later, but when it starts it needs to start with the mayor of NO and the city officials. I hate with entertainers get up there flapping their gums and they don't have a clue, don't be fooled, kayne talks a good game, he is not as smart as he leads on to be, I like the brother and think he is a great musician, but right now he is being irresponsible. I also hate the way the media is portaying the black population in NO, it stinks, and it happens all the time, not just during disasters. why bush didn't land in N.O? I don't know, maybe it is because there are some jackasses out there shooting at rescue copters? maybe? who knows, this is going to require effort by everyone, I am going to help, I know millions of others will also, we will get the job done, now is not the time for politics. We can do that later, meanwhile Gay Z I mean Jay Z or hova or whatever his name is and Diddy combined to donate 1 million bucks, the NFL which is a multi billion dollar industry donated 1 million only... It is funny I watch these rappers get on TV and talk about the half million dollar chains and and 200k watches they wear, I wonder how much they will donate to the efforts, I mean it was nice for jay A and diddy to donate a million but come on man, those guys talk like they spend a million in one night partying... I say it is all Bull SH*t!!!

Step to the plate fellas!!!!


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9/3/2005  10:27 AM
If you want to bring race into this mess than you better also not be afraid to talk about the black culture in NO and the violence that is happening right now. Please don't forget to talk about the "Dirty South". And don't tell me violence in the black community is not an issue.

[Edited by - Knight on 09-03-2005 10:29 AM]
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by tkf:

kayne has a big mouth. I hate to make this a racial issue and I am black. I have a few questions to ask for all these uninformed entertainers.

California and their local govt officials, have put into place measures that prepares them for earth quakes, people stock up on food and water for emergencies, they raised taxes to pay for new earthquake proof highways and buildings and bridges, they are not waiting for the federal govt to do this, they are doing this on their own..

NO and it's city officials new about the problem with the levies, why didn't they raise the taxes, sell bonds, so that they could fund the levy project themselves? why did the mayor of NO deny a request to provide boats for the police department? Why didn't the people of NO who live under water basically prepare for such an event by storing water and non-perishable foods? for those that could afford it why not have a inflatable raft in your garage, and for those that couldn't why not pressure the local officials to supply one for those who couldn't afford it? I mean everyone is saying they knew this was going to happen, so why not prepare yourself? why wait for the fed govt? is it the job of the feds and the taxpayers nation wide to pay for the levies in NO?

I am not trying to be incensitive here because I have donated and as soon as I can I am going to take my friend and I, load up the pickup truck and bring food and supplies down there, this is something we all need to kick in and do. But to blame bush for this is insane, to say he and the govt are slacking because most of the victims are black is not fair IMO... These entertainers are into sensationalism, they will say anything to make a statement no matter how un-informed they are. I think they have a greater responsibility than that. Kayne and other who are trying to make this out to be a racial thing and a Bush bashing need to put that on the back burner..


Good post TKF and God Bless you for donating and helping out when your able too.

Thanks, I am really proud of Atlanta georgia, right now they are allowing refugee kids who are displaced from their schooling to matriculate in georgia schools, in the shelters, subtitute teachers, retired teachers are donating their time to go teach and hold class for the kids in the shelters, that is amazing. My wife is a teacher and she now subtitutes, If she can she wants to go voulteer her time, my neighbor is a realestate agent, he has a rental house that is empty and he is going to donate it for use to needy families. These are just small examples of whats going on, hey we are the govt, the people it is just as much our responsibility to take care of this matter, I mean the govt just game NO 10.7 billion dollars, who do you think is going to foot that bill? yes, you and me fellas... If guys like kayne really want to help, get in front of the cameras and challenge all his colleagues in the profession to step up, call them out, forget a benifit concert, forget blaming bush, forget the racial accuastations, for get the sensationalism, get dirty, just like he came down to atlanta to promote his album, get on the radios, call out all the musicians who say they spend 400k on a pinky ring to dig deep, and kick in like the ballers they say they are!!!


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9/3/2005  10:40 AM
Posted by Knight:

If you want to bring race into this mess than you better also not be afraid to talk about the black culture in NO and the violence that is happening right now. Please don't forget to talk about the "Dirty South". And don't tell me violence in the black community is not an issue.

[Edited by - Knight on 09-03-2005 10:29 AM]


That is interesting and I am glad you brough that up. People are saying women are being pulled into buildings and raped! people are being robbed at gunpoint, and I said, wow this is just disgusting, but you know what, this is what happens in NO on the regular. NO is near the top as far as crime in the country, that city is grimy as hell, worse than detroit and the other crime capitals of the country. I think the officials of NO let a lot of things go unchecked, and the levey issue is one of them. for the life of me, can someone answer this, if the people of NO and the local govt knew that a disaster like this was going to happen, why wait for fed funding, this is a priority, have a 1% tax raise, sell bonds, raise property taxes, I mean for christ sakes, they could of raised more than enough money, increase hotel taxes, I mean heck let the tourist pay for part of the levy construction, since they enjoy comming to NO( I don't know why anyone would vacation there) anyway, the blame should start locally, but I will leave that for another day.. this stuff is real right now!!!

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9/3/2005  10:43 AM
Kanye said he's trying to help out, but he also felt the need to say what he's seen with his own eyes. All the discussions about the Katrina disaster have been about the same damn thing. The news coverage has been slanted at best, where stations like Fux News are outright savage in their bias-ridden coverage.

All the "entertainers need to be better informed" stuff doesn't wash in this case, as everything Kanye was referring to was rather obvious to some of us. Those who don't see it most likely agree with the same slanted angle the media uses anyway, and therefore will probably never get it.

Those of us who see and agree with what he said are glad he said it.

Lastly, how in the hell would anyone expect NO to put something together to protect themselves? Was NY expected to pay for counterterrorism after the first WTC bombing, in anticipation of 9/11? If 2/3 of the population and the majority of local gov't not Black, would that same comparison even get brought up? Now the right to Federal assistance is being questioned? Come on.

Monk, Hope goes out to your family, and their safe recovery from the disaster.

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9/3/2005  10:46 AM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Kanye said he's trying to help out, but he also felt the need to say what he's seen with his own eyes. All the discussions about the Katrina disaster have been about the same damn thing. The news coverage has been slanted at best, where stations like Fux News are outright savage in their bias-ridden coverage.

All the "entertainers need to be better informed" stuff doesn't wash in this case, as everything Kanye was referring to was rather obvious to some of us. Those who don't see it most likely agree with the same slanted angle the media uses anyway, and therefore will probably never get it.

Those of us who see and agree with what he said are glad he said it.

Lastly, how in the hell would anyone expect NO to put something together to protet themselves? Was NY expected to pay for counterterrorism after the first WTC bombing, in anticipation of 9/11? If 2/3 of the population and the majority of local gov't not Black, would that same comparison even get brought up? Now the right to Federal assistance is being questioned? Come on.





[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 09-03-2005 10:43 AM]

Saying the truth is obvious to you and everyone else must be misinformed is not an argument and unproductive.
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Posted by Knight:
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Kanye said he's trying to help out, but he also felt the need to say what he's seen with his own eyes. All the discussions about the Katrina disaster have been about the same damn thing. The news coverage has been slanted at best, where stations like Fux News are outright savage in their bias-ridden coverage.

All the "entertainers need to be better informed" stuff doesn't wash in this case, as everything Kanye was referring to was rather obvious to some of us. Those who don't see it most likely agree with the same slanted angle the media uses anyway, and therefore will probably never get it.

Those of us who see and agree with what he said are glad he said it.

Lastly, how in the hell would anyone expect NO to put something together to protet themselves? Was NY expected to pay for counterterrorism after the first WTC bombing, in anticipation of 9/11? If 2/3 of the population and the majority of local gov't not Black, would that same comparison even get brought up? Now the right to Federal assistance is being questioned? Come on.

Saying the truth is obvious to you and everyone else must be misinformed is not an argument and unproductive.

Some see it, some don't and some choose not to. That's all I am saying. There's no need for any argument at all. What's unproductive is how this disaster was handled by the Feds.


[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 09-03-2005 10:52 AM]
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i heard the claim about bush is a racist and i don't think he is. he is just indifferent. he hasn't subtracted or added any policies that helps the minorities including affirmative action. with his presidency, he probably thought he had bigger fish to fry. but his response to the tragedy is alarming. true, he could not prevent the disaster and my dad said the city should not have been built if it was nearly 30 feet below sea level. but to not have a plan to help people in need if disaster like this happens is inexcusable. no should have been prepared. if not then it is our government's turn to deliver quickly and efficiently. it is down right embarrassing that fidel castro, our sworn enemy for 50 years, was about to give aid and disgusted bush's efforts. as far as knight talking about crime, there is crime in every city. that is a whole sociological debate and can be construed in any way you want. such as the murder capital of the nation is camden nj according to stats. but what about the number of missing people in major cities that are most likely murders in new york, l.a., chicago or other major cities? they are not confirmed murders therefore not reported. now all eyes are in no and they look like savages knowing that if there aren't any order in any city this would be the result whether it is the " dirty south", northeast, midwest or west coast cities.
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My wife and i are nurses going down on assignment as well as a few other nurses we know to work at some of the " hub hospitals " where the sick and injuired are going. We leave tuesday.
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Posted by OngBok:

My wife and i are nurses going down on assignment as well as a few other nurses we know to work at some of the " hub hospitals " where the sick and injuired are going. We leave tuesday.


good luck man, good luck. When you get a chance, when rested and relieved, when you have had a chance to wash away the wear and tear this will surely bring to you and yours, when you have had your fill of the aftermath, give some of the rest of us a taste and write back a first-hand report. I know a lot would be interested in hearing.

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9/3/2005  12:03 PM
Posted by Knight:

"Bush doesn't care about black people."

I don't care how great of rapper/producer Kanye is, that is just a ridiculous accusation. It's not even worth commenting on but I hope people don't let this dumb remark slide. Entertainers need to leave politics alone--or else do your homework and don't be a College Dropout.

So leave the politics to who? What about the people? People supposedly vote for other people to represent the people......politics is everything that is wrong with everything in this world.

Anyway you look at it....what's going on down there should not be going on.....not in America. Black people don't vote so we don't count. 5 days with no help? Dead bodies evrywhere? Babies and Women out there.

Right now everyone is pissed at Bush, not just black people. The United states is in trouble.....that is very clear. I think this New Orleans thing has put the country on edge. God help us if something else happens during this Bush administration.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by tkf:

kayne has a big mouth. I hate to make this a racial issue and I am black. I have a few questions to ask for all these uninformed entertainers.

California and their local govt officials, have put into place measures that prepares them for earth quakes, people stock up on food and water for emergencies, they raised taxes to pay for new earthquake proof highways and buildings and bridges, they are not waiting for the federal govt to do this, they are doing this on their own..

NO and it's city officials new about the problem with the levies, why didn't they raise the taxes, sell bonds, so that they could fund the levy project themselves? why did the mayor of NO deny a request to provide boats for the police department? Why didn't the people of NO who live under water basically prepare for such an event by storing water and non-perishable foods? for those that could afford it why not have a inflatable raft in your garage, and for those that couldn't why not pressure the local officials to supply one for those who couldn't afford it? I mean everyone is saying they knew this was going to happen, so why not prepare yourself? why wait for the fed govt? is it the job of the feds and the taxpayers nation wide to pay for the levies in NO?

I am not trying to be incensitive here because I have donated and as soon as I can I am going to take my friend and I, load up the pickup truck and bring food and supplies down there, this is something we all need to kick in and do. But to blame bush for this is insane, to say he and the govt are slacking because most of the victims are black is not fair IMO... These entertainers are into sensationalism, they will say anything to make a statement no matter how un-informed they are. I think they have a greater responsibility than that. Kayne and other who are trying to make this out to be a racial thing and a Bush bashing need to put that on the back burner..


Good post TKF and God Bless you for donating and helping out when your able too.


I agree good post. I believe race is a huge factor......but it's still a good post.

But basically you are saying what I'm afraid of and that is.....

Revolution.....the US gov't is not working for the people.
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Lastly, how in the hell would anyone expect NO to put something together to protet themselves? Was NY expected to pay for counterterrorism after the first WTC bombing, in anticipation of 9/11? If 2/3 of the population and the majority of local gov't not Black, would that same comparison even get brought up? Now the right to Federal assistance is being questioned? Come on.


Also a very good point.

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Posted by Knight:

If you want to bring race into this mess than you better also not be afraid to talk about the black culture in NO and the violence that is happening right now. Please don't forget to talk about the "Dirty South". And don't tell me violence in the black community is not an issue.

[Edited by - Knight on 09-03-2005 10:29 AM]

Hmm, interesting points you have here. Okay, i'll play along for awhile. I want to bring race into this mess. I'm kinda scared to talk about black culture...especially the black culture in NO...woooo, scary....and the violence...black violence...wooooo, scary stuff to talk about. I guess when you say "Dirty South" you're talking about NO figuratively and literally. I'd like you to do me a favor and educate me and others here since you're obviously on another level as far as issues of race is concerned.

I think you're representative of most good valued americans in this country so i'm gonna follow your lead on the preferred thinking here. You're obviously much more intuned with what the rest of the country thinks than me or anyone else on this site. It really shows.

I've got a few questions for you...help me to understand. Now, since in your opinion the violence that's going on in New Orleans is bad and in your opinion the Black Culture down there is bad and dirty, do you think we should have diverted our resources down there? Of course, we should obviously go get them right?


Correct me if i'm wrong here. Now is what you're saying is basically these two things 1) that really these people should stop complaining so much and be grateful for the assistance they have received..right or wrong? 2) Don't blame just George Bush and the government for this catastrophe because the black culture in NO and the violence going on down there is bad and/or dirty?

I'm gonna trust your word on this and I hope others will listen closely to your response so they can understand how the majority of the US feels on this situation. FOX is the number one news station as far as ratings are concerned so I can only assume that's how most Americans feel. Enlighten and educate us...please.

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Main Entry: ref·u·gee
Pronunciation: "re-fyu-'jE
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: an individual seeking refuge or asylum; especially : an individual who has left his or her native country and is unwilling or unable to return to it because of persecution or fear of persecution (as because of race, religion, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion)

Now, last I checked those tax paying Americans down there in NO are not going to another country. Help me out here now. They're called refugees why?

Must be the NO Black Culture down there....scary.
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Posted by JUNKMEIN:
Posted by Knight:

If you want to bring race into this mess than you better also not be afraid to talk about the black culture in NO and the violence that is happening right now. Please don't forget to talk about the "Dirty South". And don't tell me violence in the black community is not an issue.

Hmm, interesting points you have here. Okay, i'll play along for awhile. I want to bring race into this mess. I'm kinda scared to talk about black culture...especially the black culture in NO...woooo, scary....and the violence...black violence...wooooo, scary stuff to talk about. I guess when you say "Dirty South" you're talking about NO figuratively and literally. I'd like you to do me a favor and educate me and others here since you're obviously on another level as far as issues of race is concerned.

I think you're representative of most good valued americans in this country so i'm gonna follow your lead on the preferred thinking here. You're obviously much more intuned with what the rest of the country thinks than me or anyone else on this site. It really shows.

I've got a few questions for you...help me to understand. Now, since in your opinion the violence that's going on in New Orleans is bad and in your opinion the Black Culture down there is bad and dirty, do you think we should have diverted our resources down there? Of course, we should obviously go get them right?


Correct me if i'm wrong here. Now is what you're saying is basically these two things 1) that really these people should stop complaining so much and be grateful for the assistance they have received..right or wrong? 2) Don't blame just George Bush and the government for this catastrophe because the black culture in NO and the violence going on down there is bad and/or dirty?

I'm gonna trust your word on this and I hope others will listen closely to your response so they can understand how the majority of the US feels on this situation. FOX is the number one news station as far as ratings are concerned so I can only assume that's how most Americans feel. Enlighten and educate us...please.

Negros and Water don't mix.

Good post, Junkmein. Where it goes from here should be very interesting...

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