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Marv
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9/1/2005  1:57 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I can't believe how good this organization is. They have it all, and teams around the league need to start copying the way they do buziness. They have an excellent coach, owner, the best player in the league, and a great team. They don't overpay for anyone, and most of all, they are very well balance talent wise. The Knicks are not far behind, but they will never be as good as the Spurs until they get a new owner.....

Spurs?

Screw those losers.

We spotted them 3 rings so we can laugh in their faces in a few years when we lap them.

Mr. Duncan meet Mr. Frye. Enjoy the taste of leather he's about to feed you, son.


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9/1/2005  1:59 PM
Posted by Marv:

We spotted them 3 rings so we can laugh in their faces in a few years when we lap them.

Mr. Duncan meet Mr. Frye. Enjoy the taste of leather he's about to feed you, son.
NICE!

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9/1/2005  2:02 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by diderotn:

I can't believe how good this organization is. They have it all, and teams around the league need to start copying the way they do buziness. They have an excellent coach, owner, the best player in the league, and a great team. They don't overpay for anyone, and most of all, they are very well balance talent wise. The Knicks are not far behind, but they will never be as good as the Spurs until they get a new owner.....

Spurs?

Screw those losers.

We spotted them 3 rings so we can laugh in their faces in a few years when we lap them.

Mr. Duncan meet Mr. Frye. Enjoy the taste of leather he's about to feed you, son.


can we suspend marv now realgm style?
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9/1/2005  2:15 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Starks and Mason were mental midgets. Time has added to their legend, but those two were not good under pressure and inconsistant!

We could have had a core of Mark Jax, and Strickland. Newman was a journeyman, and X-man was defected merchindise whom fell apart. Trading Mark Jax for Charles Smith was a crime! The sense of urgency was no logical back then. Gerald Wilkens had moments but mainly we waited and waited for the family genes to take hold!

Im sorry, my view of the Golden 90's is not as many here remember it. I thought the teams were flawed most of the times.

Most likey, I am part right,and of course the Bulls are largely to blame. Ali had Frizier, and were were it!

This is old hat, argued many times. I thought the oakley trade was great by the way. Charlie Ward unfortunatly could not take his game to the next level as he was expected.


I agree with this post 100%, I just don't agree that we starphuched during that period. And I think those 90's teams are greatly overrated by knicks fans..
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9/1/2005  2:37 PM
Caseloads...

Did you read my post ?

my point is, BACK THEN you really had to have more to go with a #1 pick when Ewing was drafted because real legendary teams existed.

The Lakers, Celtics, bulls and Pistons of the golden era would do the damn thang with the Lakers, Spurs "dynasty" of today.

The Pistons are not a dynasty. Stop it.


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9/1/2005  2:44 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

The Pistons are not a dynasty. Stop it.
I agree. The Pistons are a VERY GOOD team but they are not a dynasty yet.
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Posted by tkf:
Posted by Nalod:

Starks and Mason were mental midgets. Time has added to their legend, but those two were not good under pressure and inconsistant!

We could have had a core of Mark Jax, and Strickland. Newman was a journeyman, and X-man was defected merchindise whom fell apart. Trading Mark Jax for Charles Smith was a crime! The sense of urgency was no logical back then. Gerald Wilkens had moments but mainly we waited and waited for the family genes to take hold!

Im sorry, my view of the Golden 90's is not as many here remember it. I thought the teams were flawed most of the times.

Most likey, I am part right,and of course the Bulls are largely to blame. Ali had Frizier, and were were it!

This is old hat, argued many times. I thought the oakley trade was great by the way. Charlie Ward unfortunatly could not take his game to the next level as he was expected.


I agree with this post 100%, I just don't agree that we starphuched during that period. And I think those 90's teams are greatly overrated by knicks fans..


it's tough to overrate a team that was always at LEAST a final 8 team, and for a good stretch, a final 4 team. they were an AWESOME TEAM. just didn't have enough talent to get over the hump. when MJ left, they were the 2nd best team in the league to houston. all you can ask for is a team that will give you a shot at winning it all.

i believe some of the individuals were overrated based on their individual play but collectively, as a unit, they were one of the top 5 teams of the DECADE.
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9/1/2005  2:51 PM
Nalod, you stole my post! I want to agree with you about the Mark Jackson trade (And let me say that Mark Jackson actually was my favorite player for ALL his years in the NBA.)

That to me was the biggest mistake of the Riley era. Throwing away a great floor leader and a guy who made it so much easier for his teammates to score (Especially Ewing.) screwed the Knicks' chemistry on offense (Enter ten years of offense that resembles paint drying.), and they still have not recaptured it.

Yes Derek Harper was nice, but he was over the hill with us, Doc Rivers was like Derek Harper.

Charlie Ward was...Charlie Ward.

All those guys had some things they could do better than Jackson but they could not RUN A TEAM or PASS half as well as he--A true floor general is among the rarest commodities in pro basketball.

I'll never forget when we lost to Houston.

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[Edited by - oohah on 09-01-2005 2:52 PM]
Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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9/1/2005  3:00 PM
Mark Jackson was a great floor general. Yes, but he was a lousy defender. The man had no lateral movement and was as slow as molasses. I loved Doc Rivers when he was here. Same with Derek Harper.

Now the Strickland for Cheeks trade. That's a diff story.

Also, CHARLES SMITH was fouled 5 times. Damn you Michael Jordan! Damn you!
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9/1/2005  3:12 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I can't believe how good this organization is. They have it all, and teams around the league need to start copying the way they do buziness. They have an excellent coach, owner, the best player in the league, and a great team. They don't overpay for anyone, and most of all, they are very well balance talent wise. The Knicks are not far behind, but they will never be as good as the Spurs until they get a new owner.....


the spurs would be nothing without Duncan, and they were LUCKY to get him.

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Mark Jackson was a great floor general. Yes, but he was a lousy defender. The man had no lateral movement and was as slow as molasses. I loved Doc Rivers when he was here. Same with Derek Harper.

Jackson certainly had his shortcomings but he had something we needed. You can't concentrate on one part of the game (Defense.) and forget about everything else (Offense.). Harper and Rivers (Both who I liked very much.) were fine at getting there own offense, but neither were consumate point guards. Rivers actually had played 2 guard his whole career and Harper played LIKE a 2 guard his whole career before they got to the Knicks.
Now the Strickland for Cheeks trade. That's a diff story.

Strickland was always the talented malcontent, like Cassell. I can't blame the Knicks for trading him, every team got tired of him wherever he played. At least Cheeks helped us to one of the greatest playoff comebacks in the history of the NBA (Versus the celtics.) capping the final game of that series with a 10 for 10 performance. Smith was a bum, who never made a difference.

If you look at their legacies in the NBA, Jackson's is much stronger than Strickland's, who actually will have a negative legacy.
Also, CHARLES SMITH was fouled 5 times. Damn you Michael Jordan! Damn you!

Smith was at least fouled once! (The bum.)

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 09-01-2005 3:13 PM]
Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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9/1/2005  3:12 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

Well when we drafted ewing, i didn't see FAs flocking to Ny to play with a future hall-a-famer, like shaq and duncan. As a matter of fact the only FA ewing help get was Allan houston. Thats 1 guy in 12 years.


ewing is no duncan...there were many flaws in ewing's game.. i dont think you could say the same about duncan
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9/1/2005  3:15 PM
ewing is no duncan...there were many flaws in ewing's game.. i dont think you could say the same about duncan

The only real weakness in Duncan's game is free throws, which I find mind boggling because he is such a good shooter.

oohah

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9/1/2005  3:42 PM
its not that the knicks of the 90's are overrated, its that they overacheived.

That was the problem with the Riley Knicks and with Van Gundy- during the regular season, you get your players to play play off style basketball, giving 110%, and then you make the play offs and there isn't any more to give.

Starks & Mason aren't over rated, they over acheived- they kinda belonged to be in the CBA, but they were tough & gritty & fearless.

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9/1/2005  3:51 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


I think Isiah HAS done a good job of spotting talent. He's added a lot of talented young players. I don't care if they're from Europe or the US. I'd be no more excited about Nate, Ariza, Lee, and Frye if they had been born in Europe.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09-01-2005 11:39 AM]


If Lee or Ariza turn into a player of Manu's stature, you can make this statement.

And in no way am I criticizing Isiah- this is a blanket statement about the knick organization for the last 20 years!

This is not just about Europe- its about a player like Andres Nocioni who the bulls signed out of nowhere.

Now, maybe this is changing- maybe our player evaluation is improving- But I want to see us pick up an all star in the draft

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9/1/2005  8:11 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:


I think Isiah HAS done a good job of spotting talent. He's added a lot of talented young players. I don't care if they're from Europe or the US. I'd be no more excited about Nate, Ariza, Lee, and Frye if they had been born in Europe.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09-01-2005 11:39 AM]


If Lee or Ariza turn into a player of Manu's stature, you can make this statement.
why do they have to turn into Manu? Why can't anyone look at the four players he's drafted and be pleased with Isiah's draft skills regardless of anything about Manu?


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9/2/2005  12:24 PM
I am very pleased with where we are heading, but my only problem is with the owner (Dolan). I don't know if this dude knows anything about basketball...
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9/2/2005  1:41 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:


I think Isiah HAS done a good job of spotting talent. He's added a lot of talented young players. I don't care if they're from Europe or the US. I'd be no more excited about Nate, Ariza, Lee, and Frye if they had been born in Europe.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09-01-2005 11:39 AM]


If Lee or Ariza turn into a player of Manu's stature, you can make this statement.
why do they have to turn into Manu? Why can't anyone look at the four players he's drafted and be pleased with Isiah's draft skills regardless of anything about Manu?


Because you called Manu a "decent player" who nobody would care about without Duncan. Since we don't have Duncan, wouldn't it be pretty bad for us if none of those 4 players turned into a "mediocre" talent like you say Manu is?
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9/2/2005  2:36 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I am very pleased with where we are heading, but my only problem is with the owner (Dolan). I don't know if this dude knows anything about basketball...

Dolan doesn't need to know anything about basketball. He just needs to sign the checks being handed out by Zeke.

He had some problems with Layden but I think he picked the right guy in Zeke.

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9/2/2005  3:20 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:


I think Isiah HAS done a good job of spotting talent. He's added a lot of talented young players. I don't care if they're from Europe or the US. I'd be no more excited about Nate, Ariza, Lee, and Frye if they had been born in Europe.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09-01-2005 11:39 AM]


If Lee or Ariza turn into a player of Manu's stature, you can make this statement.
why do they have to turn into Manu? Why can't anyone look at the four players he's drafted and be pleased with Isiah's draft skills regardless of anything about Manu?


wait- who exactly has Isiah drafted for us? Tell me.

Ariza- potentially excellent player- perhaps even a 'superstar'- dare we dream.

Frye - 8th pick, grabbed 2 boards per 48 mins in summer league play inspiring a lot of confidence (exaggeration)

Nate- could be a real game changer- but like many short players in this league, an off the bench super -role player

Lee- a high energy, low skill replacement for Malik Rose/JYD-

If you look at what Isiah has actually drafted for us, not exactly impressive.

Am I missing someone?

And DO NOT go dragging people that he drafted elsewhere- we're talking about how San Antonio is a tremendously well run B Ball operation- how they can use a 30th pick in the first round to draft all star quality players (Manu/Parker) and how that compares with the poor efforts of our Knick organization to ever actual spot talent.

I'd say the best we ever did to drafting low and scoring talent might be Gerald Wilkens in the 2nd round- and that's not saying much- Ewing was a no brainer.
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