Posted by Bonn1997:

Or you could get more players like Marbury through trades who are probably better than any FA you'll sign

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

lol...even if the Knicks refused the options on those 4 players w/options in '07/'08 & then signed 10 players at the league minimum to fill the rest of the roster spots, they still wouldn't be under the cap until '09/'10...but what's another year, right? i mean we can always sign another crap player for the full MLE next year & keep the cycle going...who cares about contending for a championship when it's so much fun to root for also ran teams year after year?

Or you could get more players like Marbury through trades who are probably better than any FA you'll sign

i have no problem with that...i've already stated from the beginning that i was in favor of the Marbury trade...it's when Isiah signs scrubs like Jerome James to 5 year $30 million dollar deals that pisses me off to no end, because he's just repeating the same old cycle of bringing in low talent scrubs like Shandon Anderson, Travis Knight, Howard Eisley, an overweight Clarence Weatherspoon or an old washed up Vin Baker to eat up cap space instead of trying to squeeze out maximum value out of the MLE...it's as if the Knicks always choose to use the MLE just for the sake of using it because they feel compelled to do SOMETHING in the offseason, rather than being smart & considering the longterm ramifications of glutting your roster w/overpaid mediocre talent & leaving no longterm flexibility to sign bigname free agents when they become available...this is the endless cycle that i'm talking about...at a certain point you have to stop the madness & think about the longterm & the ultimate goal of winning a championship.

You can't really turn the J J signing into a bust, because there is a chance he can blossom under LB, Herb and Mcguire.
Basically what your saying is give this unit of knicks the oppertunity to play out there contracts. Hmmm... I would agree,only if we can at least be a playoff team until that cap relief comes. I am not in no way shape or form, going to sit through 30+ wins season after season umtil 2010. This is not UTah or Golden State. The Knicks should actual be the face of the NBA.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

i have no problem with that...i've already stated from the beginning that i was in favor of the Marbury trade...it's when Isiah signs scrubs like Jerome James to 5 year $30 million dollar deals that pisses me off to no end, because he's just repeating the same old cycle of bringing in low talent scrubs like Shandon Anderson, Travis Knight, Howard Eisley, an overweight Clarence Weatherspoon or an old washed up Vin Baker to eat up cap space instead of trying to squeeze out maximum value out of the MLE...it's as if the Knicks always choose to use the MLE just for the sake of using it because they feel compelled to do SOMETHING in the offseason, rather than being smart & considering the longterm ramifications of glutting your roster w/overpaid mediocre talent & leaving no longterm flexibility to sign bigname free agents when they become available...this is the endless cycle that i'm talking about...at a certain point you have to stop the madness & think about the longterm & the ultimate goal of winning a championship.

So other than the two MLE decisions (Baker/James), do you have any significant problems with Isiah's decisions? (You've cited Eisley, Travis Knight, Shandon Anderson, but I'm not referring to the dark Layden years.)

i SUPPORTED the trade to get Jamal Crawford & JYD using the scrap parts of Deke, Frank, Othella & Trybanski (i think that was the package)...i felt both players could help this franchise nicely & were both the types of athletic players who could run up & down the floor that i liked...plus i've always like JYD's style of unselfish play & hustle, even in his days in Detroit...i also liked the signing of DerMarr Johnson because he was a talented young player who was worth taking a flyer on...had IT been a bit more patient w/him he could have been a nice piece to our offense last season.

where i DISAGREED w/Isiah was when he extended KT to that 5 year extension w/trade kicker...at that point i would have used his expiring contract to trade for a young PF if available (i don't feel going back to list all the available names is necessary to explain this one, is it?)

I also wasn't crazy about the signing of Vin Baker to half the MLE...i felt he didn't fit the team's needs at all & was a nonsensical (there's that word again) roster move on Isiah's part...signing a scrub like Jamison Brewer didn't phase me 1 way or the other because he was a minimal investment, though i do feel Isiah could have gotten a much more serviceable player than Bruno for the LLE...the Jerome James signing to the full MLE contract everyone knows my feelings on...

concerning the KVH/Doleac for TT/Nazr trade, i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a year's time...turns out i hated that trade because i've grown to despise TT as a player, & Nazr was a 1 year stopgap, but at least he did land us some draft picks in the long run, so that's his 1 saving grace.

the Mo T trade i was initially in favor of because i assumed IT had a plan in place to trade off 1 of our PF's last season, but fill the team's need at C...but turns out he ad libbed his way out of this one by dealing KT this past offseason & signing an overpaid scrub to a full MLE contract to be our starting C...not exactly a plan of action that instills confidence in me sorry to say, but at least we did end up w/Q & Nate Robinson out of the KT deal, so it turns out well for us overall.

As for draft picks, i'll say that Isiah's pick of Trevor Ariza was perfectly fine with me after i read up some more on him after that draft...& his trade to acquire the extra 1st rounders in the Malik Rose trade with which he was able to land David Lee was also a move i was in favor of...along w/Nate Rob, those 3 represent some young, athletic players that fit the mantra nicely...but i did NOT like passing over Gerald Green in favor of Channing Frye...i think Green will be a monster in this league someday...