Posted by Knight:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Knight:

Out of curiousity, before a natural disaster strikes why is it the military's duty to be hauling people out of New Orleans? If it was simply an issue of transportation I think Greyhound or United Airlines or some major cruise ship would be the way to go--they probably know more about transportation in those cities than the military. Calling it a "river of dead bodies" is a little bit over the top...it seems most people got out and I'm sure some, as always, tried to stay.

[Edited by - Knight on 08-31-2005 12:25 PM]

It's the gov't job, not private companies (unless there is a profit in it, right Haliburton)?

So if I know a tornado is coming towards my town I should be able to call some government hotline number to give me a ride? How many people live in Louisiana and Mississippi? Over 7 million people. There is no way you could have planned for such an evacuation ahead of time--nobody really knew how bad it was going to be or what damage it would actually do.

[Edited by - Knight on 08-31-2005 12:42 PM]

No, the government should announce that transportation is available. Since we have a market economy, it's not the job of private corporations to handle the assignment unless it is in their economic interests to do it. But even if there was an economic interest, a disaster like this produces demands that only an enourmous entity like the military can manage.

Of course, you can plan ahead ahead of time. It's called a contingency plan. New Orleans in below sea level. People have feared this type of disaster for years.


[Edited by - Rich on 08-31-2005 1:15 PM]

This country is not for the people anymore.

Posted by fishmike:

So if I know a tornado is coming towards my town I should be able to call some government hotline number to give me a ride?

No.. Tornados strike almost without warning. However its the government's first job to protect its citizens. If an earthquake made your home uninhabitable and the water supply useless then YES. You should contact gov for aid. The military is a good example because they are the largest and most organized resource of man power available to the gov, and have been used in the past for such situtations.

I have 2 chums in the NG. Both worked for weeks in Fla after hurricane Floyd. They helped rebuild infrastructure. Immediately after the storm they were flown down within 12 hours for security. After that they worked. These are not local guys, they are NJ guys like me. Right now both are in Iraq and have not seen their children in 6 months. Funny how the NG kept George from Nam but our NG guys are over there in mass. Now the city is being looted, there is no security and the largest workforce the gov has available is doing what again? Securing the world? Searching for WOMD? Keeping gas affordable for HUMVs.

Yes... gov has failed.

Liberal indeed

dukes, have you seen gas prices lately? keeping gas affordable indeed... what are those guys doing over there? why are taxpayers paying for saddam's holding cell, food and tv again? this is sad.

we should be spending money on hybrid technology or solar energy technology - forget gas...

HOw many phucking "W" stickers still on Suburbans! Sham profits for big 3 auto makers with waivers on safety and emission standards.

Forget Kerry, the damm thing was won by Gore to begin with!

Bush is a simpleton.

Now that we have commited our boys the support gains strenght as not to dilute the sacrfice made.

Yes. Take back the country.

But lets not forget, we got real evil doers trying to take us down. Perhaps it was all enevitable we fight them either on our turf or on theirs.

Maybe George just used any bull crap excuse of WOMD to create a preemtive move against them. IF so, then he gets a monument one day.

THing about preemtive strikes, one never knows what could have been?

HIstory is a funny thing. The future is unknown!

The contingency plans include mobilizing the National Guard. Where is the majority of the National Guard? In Iraq. Why? Bush.

Posted by fishmike:

no... some one just told me its over $3 for reg. I have a POS SUV that I only drive to the trainstation which is 2 miles away. I only fill up once every 2 months or so.

what is POS?

Posted by Caseloads:

what is POS?

the make and model of all the cars I have ever owned. PieceOfSheeot

The Gov is not to blame for this. Thats just dumb. However many elements of this tragedy could have been contained. Elements like the distribution of food and fresh water, of security and of transporting displaced people.

Those elements are making this situation worse. Those elements are because the National Guard is not available. They are not available because of Bush's foreign policy.

Posted by fishmike:

no... some one just told me its over $3 for reg. I have a POS SUV that I only drive to the trainstation which is 2 miles away. I only fill up once every 2 months or so.

dude, here in GA the gas is 3.09 for regular, my wife has a Yukon and I have a nissan Suv, I drive 45 miles each way to work,my wife stays around town. we both filled up today and it cost 100 bucks!!! this is out of hand, but we should have been looking for alternative fuel sources years ago, instead we are held captive to these clowns for our fuel...

Posted by tkf:

I live 7 hours from NO, when things clear up a bit, I am going to spend one of my weekends doing volunteer work down there, I am going to take some of my buddies that have a bank account full of money and bring them down too, to donate time and money, we owe that.. everyone owes at some point...

You are the man tkf. Me, my brother and most our friends volunteered after 9/11 and also gave blood. Wish we could do more for the people in NO.

Posted by tkf:

I live 7 hours from NO, when things clear up a bit, I am going to spend one of my weekends doing volunteer work down there, I am going to take some of my buddies that have a bank account full of money and bring them down too, to donate time and money, we owe that.. everyone owes at some point...

WTG. Good luck, man.

In the end Bush is nothing more than a puppet for the PNAC Neo-Conservative administration hell bent on world empirialism. If you think for ONE second that they care about the country here, you're sadly mistaken. They care about the wealthy and thats that. Read the Republic by Plato and see where the concept of Republican came from. They will arrogantly send anyone to die for the empire, and will have no problems creating the needed propaganda to convince half this country they are doing the right thing. They have a free pass from God and Gold to do what they want, including ignore all domestic issues. They'll issue a few nice words, give a nice speech, talk about their humanatarian efforts and go along their way.

Secondly there is alot more the Federal Govt could do to help the situation in New Orleans, but the Neo-Con administration feeds on fear and chaos. Look at the success they had with 9-11. As long as the fear of God is placed into the people, their control strengthens. Helping those people, in the end, was not as profitable or important to their campaign. It's FAR more important to attack a grieving mother's reputation to protect their grasp on the illusionary perceptions of reality they create to the Fox News sheep. Dont ask the world to help us, because we are viewed as the Evil Empire around the world. And there is yet one Evil Empire that hasnt fallen.



[Edited by - toodarkmark on 08-31-2005 3:34 PM]