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LBeast
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8/29/2005  4:41 PM
Dont think Ford doesn't browse through sites like this to gague the reaction. Most writers like getting under the skin of Knick fans. I can't agree with Indy getting the top spot, no respect for Detroit? LB has been basically called a bum once he got to NY, but, at the same time they dont think the Pistons can win without him? Make up your minds. And Hughes leaving DC will hurt them. A lot.
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8/29/2005  4:44 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

still have only one little fish? or is another in the works?
up to two now... beauty is 5 and beast just turned 2. Its a fun group... very loud however.
How does Milwaukee get put in the playoffs while the knicks are 10th?
The bucks are relying on a rookie big to be their 2nd star, we have talented players on the squad and really only need support from our rookies and FA signings.
Ki... I think this is fair. The Bucks didnt really lose anything but a coach. They added a solid 2nd scorer next to Redd in Simmons and traditionally #1 picks are impact players. Bogut should considered no exception. If Ford really does come back I think they are more talented than the Knicks. They have good athletic size up front in Smith, Bogut and Gadz along with solid wing players in Redd, Mason and Simmons. Really PG is their only question mark. I think they are ranked about even like Chad said. 3 team fighting for that last spot.

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8/29/2005  4:45 PM
Posted by LBeast:

And Hughes leaving DC will hurt them. A lot.

Not really imo. Losing Jamison or Arenas would. Wizards fans weren't devastated about losing Hughes because of the holes in his game that you don't see from checking his stats like poor defense, turnovers, chucking and not getting the ball inside to his bigmen

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8/29/2005  5:43 PM
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

Yeah, you stand with your shoulders firmly pressed against Isiah's buttcheeks.

I thought this was a very fair assessment of the east. Although I probably would have put the Bulls at 6 ahead of the Wiz. I thought what he said about Paxson said a lot about what a good GM would do. Patience, refusing to overpay and keeping all options open, financial and otherwise are the hallmarks of a good GM. Not the throw it against the wall, see what sticks and then overpay in terms of dollars and years with little regard to how it all fits mentality that we're stuck with.

isles, you and fish are haters.

knicks 05/06 - the race to .500 begins october 2nd!!!

strange, fish used to not be a hater before. Misses fish not serving up the salmon like she used to?
It all started with the Mo Taylor trade, after which we had several pages of Fish trying to convince us that Isiah was a certain "disaster." It's was actually an amusing discussion in retrospect
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8/29/2005  6:56 PM
Guys, damn, settle down. Go play some hoop, it'll relieve the pent up stresses.

I could care less about a sportswriter's opinion, but I agree with where Chad put the Knicks for the most part.

If you make an honest assessment of talent based on what WE HAVE SEEN, as opposed to what WE HOPE WILL HAPPEN, we are fighing it out for the number 8 seed.

Lots of things can happen during a season. Usually, at least one team in the NBA that looks great in the begining of the season will have an injury explosion etc. and end up being terrible. (And sometimes that works out great: Tim Duncan.) Usually one or two teams that nobody thought was good will have a player that blossoms into a star.

We have to hope that is what happens here. Lots around here think that man is Sweetney. I think it is more likely Ariza, or Q, or JC. I think Ariza will be a star player, maybe not next season though. Even if that happens are we championship caliber? conference champ caliber? Nope.

My pont is, let's solidify our hold on being a playoff team before we even worry about climbing the big mountain.

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Chad is also right on with his Atlanta/Joe Johnson commentary.

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And Hughes leaving DC will hurt them. A lot.

Actually the Wizards upgraded their backcourt. Caron Butler, Antonio Daniels, and Chucky Atkins will fill the Larry Hughes/Juan Dixon/Stave Blake hole to overflowing. Antonio Daniels and Chucky Atkins are both solid guards who can score big if needed to. I think Larry Hughes may have had his career season last year, I think Caron Butler will be a better player when all is said and done.

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8/29/2005  7:24 PM
I hate Chad FRAUD almost as much as he hates the New York Knicks.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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8/29/2005  7:47 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

I hate Chad FRAUD almost as much as he hates the New York Knicks.


hardcore - you're the worst type of hater. you play like you drink the kool-aid but i saw you getting a tat of scala-weenie on your shoulder. you're a scala-weenie fan. EVERYBODY, HARDCORE IS A SCALA-WEENIE FAN!!!
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8/29/2005  7:53 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I'm gonna throw up!

LMMFAO!!! I had to step my game up after you got those finger tats, DJ:

"S-C-A-L-A" on the right, and "W-E-E-N-Y" on the left.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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8/29/2005  8:30 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I'm gonna throw up!

LMMFAO!!! I had to step my game up after you got those finger tats, DJ:

"S-C-A-L-A" on the right, and "W-E-E-N-Y" on the left.

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[Edited by - djsunyc on 08-29-2005 8:30 PM]
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8/29/2005  9:19 PM
This team UNDERACHIEVED last year. Its not like we didn't have any talent. They shouldn't have ended up with only 33 wins. They went from being predicted to win the weak Atlantic and being in 1st place, to just falling apart. That happens sometimes. With the additions we've made and getting a REAL coach, its not hard to imagine this team making a huge improvement over last year. I think we have just as much talent as any team in the East.

NJ has the Big 3, but not much else.
Philly didn't do anything special to improve and who know how they'll react to Cheeks
Milwaukee has more questions than we do. Bogut? How do we know he can have an impact in his 1st year.
Wash. has made changes to the formula that they won with last year and to begin with it was a strange team. They didn't pass AT ALL and couldn't shoot, yet they found a way to win. How do we know that same formula will work for them again.
Boston seems to be on an even bigger youth movement than us, so who knows what they'll do.
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8/30/2005  12:04 AM
nixluva, I admire your ardent enthusiasm, but you are way off on the Knicks relative talent level in the East.
This team UNDERACHIEVED last year.

Not by much. Do you really think we were better than 7-8 even if EVERYTHING went right?
Its not like we didn't have any talent. They shouldn't have ended up with only 33 wins. They went from being predicted to win the weak Atlantic and being in 1st place, to just falling apart.

Who cares where the Knicks were predicted to finish? All kinds of people have different predictions. Predictions mean nothing. Apparently, last year we were pretenders when we were atop the Atlantic division.

We do have talent, but we don't have enough star talent. We have one star, several unknown quantities, and a bunch of average to below average players, some with the potential to be very good because they are still young.
That happens sometimes. With the additions we've made and getting a REAL coach, its not hard to imagine this team making a huge improvement over last year. I think we have just as much talent as any team in the East.

Improving greatly might not be hard to imagine, but it will be hard for it to actually happen with this bunch. To improve this year, something has to happen with the front court. Either a star must emerge or we have to bring someone in. Else, we will get killed on the boards.

Just as much talent as any team in the East? As much as Miami? Detroit? Indiana? Come on.
NJ has the Big 3, but not much else.

The Nets have 3 stars plus up and coming Krstic(A center!), plus Jeff McGinnis, and a couple of other Knicks-level players. They are MUCH more talented than the Knicks.
Philly didn't do anything special to improve and who know how they'll react to Cheeks

I keep thinking(Hoping?) Philly will suck every year but they do it on Iverson's back again and again, plus they have Delambert, who looks like much more of a star prospect than Sweetney to me. Also, maybe Webber will look better this year. No, I think Philly has more star talent at the least.
Milwaukee has more questions than we do. Bogut? How do we know he can have an impact in his 1st year.

The Bucks have Redd plus the number one pick (And a real center to boot!) plus TJ Ford (If he ever plays again.), and a couple of other Knicks-level players. They may not be more talented, but their future looks brighter at the moment.
Wash. has made changes to the formula that they won with last year and to begin with it was a strange team. They didn't pass AT ALL and couldn't shoot, yet they found a way to win.

Washington has/had two scoring-stars (Jamison and Gilbert Arenas). They had a player having a career year(Hughes), and they are big, unlike the Knicks(Especially last year.). This year they replaced Hughes and Dixon with Caron Butler, Chucky Atkins, and Antonio Daniels. The Wizards are more talented than the Knicks.
How do we know that same formula will work for them again.

I though they were changing the formula?
Boston seems to be on an even bigger youth movement than us, so who knows what they'll do.

With Pierce, Al Jefferson and Gerald Greene. Boston is close to the Knicks in talent, but I have to give Boston the edge. I think the Knicks will be better than Boston because Boston's squad is in upheaval. But I thought that last year too and we all saw what happened.

oohah

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8/30/2005  8:48 AM
I agree, Oohah. The Knicks didn't underachieve last year in the sense that they had one great starter, four below average starters, a mediocre bench, and a mediocre coach. That's basically a 33 win team.
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8/30/2005  8:54 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree, Oohah. The Knicks didn't underachieve last year in the sense that they had one great starter, four below average starters, a mediocre bench, and a mediocre coach. That's basically a 33 win team.
So your saying despite the fact that Isiah invested over $200mm in future salary last year the talent level was that of a 33 win roster. Interesting.


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8/30/2005  9:09 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree, Oohah. The Knicks didn't underachieve last year in the sense that they had one great starter, four below average starters, a mediocre bench, and a mediocre coach. That's basically a 33 win team.
So your saying despite the fact that Isiah invested over $200mm in future salary last year the talent level was that of a 33 win roster. Interesting.

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8/30/2005  10:06 AM
Isnt Kendall Gill a FA? Maybe Dennis Scott or Tracey Murray. We need a shooter. 5 years $30mm should get us one of those guys.
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8/30/2005  10:08 AM
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Isnt Kendall Gill a FA? Maybe Dennis Scott or Tracey Murray. We need a shooter. 5 years $30mm should get us one of those guys.

You're insane.

While Steve Smith is still available????


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8/30/2005  10:18 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree, Oohah. The Knicks didn't underachieve last year in the sense that they had one great starter, four below average starters, a mediocre bench, and a mediocre coach. That's basically a 33 win team.
So your saying despite the fact that Isiah invested over $200mm in future salary last year the talent level was that of a 33 win roster. Interesting.
Sure; that's the way to look at it if you're impatient and can't understand that rebuilding takes a lot more than one season. I expect a lot of casual fans to look at it that way and go whichever way the wind blows. One minute to them Isiah is a complete "disaster"; the next, he's made some nice moves; it goes back and forth nonstop because they don't appreciate that rebuilding is never a perfectly smooth project but rather has ups and downs.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-30-2005 10:19 AM]
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8/30/2005  10:20 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree, Oohah. The Knicks didn't underachieve last year in the sense that they had one great starter, four below average starters, a mediocre bench, and a mediocre coach. That's basically a 33 win team.
So your saying despite the fact that Isiah invested over $200mm in future salary last year the talent level was that of a 33 win roster. Interesting.
What's even more interesting is that Isiah is not finished. Can we stop acting like he is?

Fish, I am a little surprised that you're so focused on the pessimism after all the kool-aid we drank at the Q&A. DJ, Marv, Killa, Wood, somebody get Fish a glass of tasty, refreshing Kool-Aid, and make sure that it's half FULL.

Those Chad Fraud articles are more manipulative than most tend to believe.



Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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8/30/2005  10:34 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree, Oohah. The Knicks didn't underachieve last year in the sense that they had one great starter, four below average starters, a mediocre bench, and a mediocre coach. That's basically a 33 win team.
So your saying despite the fact that Isiah invested over $200mm in future salary last year the talent level was that of a 33 win roster. Interesting.
Sure; that's the way to look at it if you're impatient and can't understand that rebuilding takes a lot more than one season. I expect a lot of casual fans to look at it that way and go whichever way the wind blows. One minute to them Isiah is a complete "disaster"; the next, he's made some nice moves; it goes back and forth nonstop because they don't appreciate that rebuilding is never a perfectly smooth project but rather has ups and downs.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-30-2005 10:19 AM]


fish, why didn't you tell us you were a casual fan? now all your postings mean jack.
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8/30/2005  10:36 AM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree, Oohah. The Knicks didn't underachieve last year in the sense that they had one great starter, four below average starters, a mediocre bench, and a mediocre coach. That's basically a 33 win team.
So your saying despite the fact that Isiah invested over $200mm in future salary last year the talent level was that of a 33 win roster. Interesting.
What's even more interesting is that Isiah is not finished. Can we stop acting like he is?

Fish, I am a little surprised that you're so focused on the pessimism after all the kool-aid we drank at the Q&A. DJ, Marv, Killa, Wood, somebody get Fish a glass of tasty, refreshing Kool-Aid, and make sure that it's half FULL.

Those Chad Fraud articles are more manipulative than most tend to believe.



it was pretty embarassing when fish bum rushed through the crowd, threw a kid to the floor just to get isiah's autograph. i mean seriously fish...

isiah has turned over the roster twice. and there's another roster turnover on the horizon. so at what point do we stop saying he's trying to work his way out of layden's mess and that he's now trying to work his way out of his own?
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