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rvhoss
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8/28/2005  9:37 PM
I don't know, I assume RealGM knows what they are doing.
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8/28/2005  9:38 PM
me too.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by rvhoss:

I didn't say he was a stopper, I said he was above average.
[Edited by - rvhoss on 08-28-2005 9:34 PM]
If above average means getting outplayed by the man your guarding in all aspects of the game, I sure hope we don't get any more "above average" players!


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8/28/2005  9:49 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I don't know, I assume RealGM knows what they are doing.
It's just based on the 5 stat categories. The man you're guarding could score 100 pts a game and it wouldn't affect your ranking. It's also not adjusted for minutes played. TT is the second worst starting small forward on that list. The only one worse than him is Bruce Bowen. And he's worse because their ranking system ignores defense (not because he's actually a worse player than TT).
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8/28/2005  9:49 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Ignoring the salary, he's above average.
I agree. This does not mean we should hold on to him or anything but he is above average. He isnt great: McGrady, Pierce, Artest, Marion...he isnt good: Peja, Melo (not great yet), Jamison....he is above average.
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8/28/2005  9:50 PM
The guy is gonna make 12-13million next season. So if he is healthy they should find use for him. He can get up the court and he can shoot the 3. Put him at PF when we need to do those things. Not letting him get any time because he played poorly last season. Even though he could be usefull and since he is gonna make millions in double digits would be really dumb. Doing what ever it takes to win games is what they should be thinking about not holding grudges. If his 3pt shooting ability helps make our Guards more dangerous for stretches of games then he should get burn in that role.
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8/28/2005  9:51 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's just based on the 5 stat categories. The man you're guarding could score 100 pts a game and it wouldn't affect your ranking. It's also not adjusted for minutes played. TT is the second worst starting small forward on that list. The only one worse than him is Bruce Bowen. And he's worse because their ranking system ignores defense (not because he's actually a worse player than TT).
I am not defending TT but:- Dirk and Peja dont play defense.
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8/28/2005  10:02 PM
after the coaching change, and he was used as a post up player and not a three point shooter, he seemed to come alive...I just think with our depth, his stats will remain the same and he may have a lesser role, but he doesn't suck. I mean, He's better than all our other PFs.
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8/28/2005  10:04 PM
here's a little thing about tim and also for the craw haters:

tim was the SOLE reason we were barely .500 going into january.
craw had to carry his own AND tim's scoring load to get us to 16-13.
then a funny thing happened, craw got hurt (we were 16-13) and tim was still crappy.
that happened at the beginning of january. the rest is history.
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8/28/2005  10:17 PM
Last year, TT had the worst year stats wise since 2001. He put together a string of nice games late in the year. Its his contract year, I can see him do really well this upcoming year. Most, especially Isiah wont buy it and he will not be resigned as a Knick. Play him to get his value up and then trade his contract at the deadline.
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8/28/2005  10:29 PM
The hell with TT. I was hoping for him to have a great year last season, but he disappointed me. Whatever we get from him this season, we get. Trade him for a guy like Gerald Wallace........
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Posted by diderotn:

The hell with TT. I was hoping for him to have a great year last season, but he disappointed me. Whatever we get from him this season, we get. Trade him for a guy like Gerald Wallace........

uh oh - looks like somebody supplanted kurt on dido's hitlist.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by diderotn:

The hell with TT. I was hoping for him to have a great year last season, but he disappointed me. Whatever we get from him this season, we get. Trade him for a guy like Gerald Wallace........

uh oh - looks like somebody supplanted kurt on dido's hitlist.

1st - Kurt Thomas
Next - Tim Thomas
Finally - Isiah Thomas???????

we. Shall. See.


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8/29/2005  1:01 AM
How can anyone in their right mind consider Tim Thomas to be above average, when Bonn hit the nail right on the head. He had to be the worst and most pitiful small foward in the league. Above average would be if he averaged 16 and ohhhhhh, 7. He came NOWHERE CLOSE to that. If he came anywhere near close to those #s, we'd be in the playoffs. We were expecting things from him, and he f'ed it up. And on top of that, while he continued to suck, he stole away Ariza's minutes. I'm sorry, but to hell with Tim is right. I didn't like him a year ago today, b/c I thought that boxing thing people were talking about was way overhyped (Which it was) and now, he's just a bad player with an expiring contract who's gonna put some juice into it to get a big contract. Sorry, we should part ways fast.
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8/29/2005  1:05 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

He's an above average player that is overpaid.

his realgm ranking is 221...that's better than...
James Posey 224
nazr mohammed 255
Eric Snow 279
michael olowokandi 286
kwame brown 266
brian grant 370
allan houston 242
christian laettner 275
alonzo mourning 278
dikembe mutombo 243
clarence weatherspoon 415

the list goes on...

so, according to RealGM, he's slghtly above average, but still better than others mentioned on this board.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 08-28-2005 9:32 PM]

Bad post. All of those guys are either way over the hill or completely shot. Tim is not injured, and he is competing with those guys in terms of rankings. Says a lot about him. When healthy, I would take just about everyone on that list except Laetner, POSSIBLY Kandi and POSSIBLY Posey over Tim Thomas in an absolute instant.
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8/29/2005  2:22 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by rvhoss:

He's an above average player that is overpaid.

his realgm ranking is 221...that's better than...
James Posey 224
nazr mohammed 255
Eric Snow 279
michael olowokandi 286
kwame brown 266
brian grant 370
allan houston 242
christian laettner 275
alonzo mourning 278
dikembe mutombo 243
clarence weatherspoon 415

the list goes on...

so, according to RealGM, he's slghtly above average, but still better than others mentioned on this board.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 08-28-2005 9:32 PM]

Bad post. All of those guys are either way over the hill or completely shot. Tim is not injured, and he is competing with those guys in terms of rankings. Says a lot about him. When healthy, I would take just about everyone on that list except Laetner, POSSIBLY Kandi and POSSIBLY Posey over Tim Thomas in an absolute instant.
Agreed; also, the fact that he's way below average has nothing to do with salary. He's way overpaid, but he could be making the league min and I'd still classify him as the worst starting SF last year. Given that the family issues are 1 year past him and he's in a contract year, I think he can play better (or less badly) than last year, but at the absolute best (if everything works out perfectly), I think he might be able to be an average starting SF.
I am not defending TT but:- Dirk and Peja dont play defense.
I think both those players play better defense than TT, but more importantly, if TT could average 26,10,3,1.5,1.3 like Dirk or even 20/4 like Peja, I wouldn't hate him so much for his defense.
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8/29/2005  6:06 AM
i will proudly where my tim thomas authentic to home games
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8/29/2005  8:47 AM
ditto...if I had one. =)

I just think after he got passed his family issues and realized he wasn't going to be traded mid season (further supplanting his newly acquired "kids") he came back to the 16/4 guy we all come to depend on...with Marbs getting 20 and Craw getting 17, 16 came in pretty handy.

As far as him being an SF...the jury is still out on that...I always play him at the 4 and at the 5 in small lineups (before JJ and frye ofcourse).

Kurt Thomas was more of an SF then Tim. JMHO. Don't jump down my throat on that one. =)
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8/29/2005  9:05 AM
Brendan Suhr said pretty good, its a contract year, of course he'll play well! Thats pretty damm cutting to the the truth. Not much sugar on that one!

I think we put him at power forward hoping he gets broken. One nite with Haslem in miami and the dude will be broken bodily and spiritually.

The Gazy Wussiness is not in our future. He will play and showcase himself, otherwise he finishes the year on the IR into oblivion with "tendanidous". Thats exile.
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8/29/2005  9:19 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I just think after he got passed his family issues and realized he wasn't going to be traded mid season (further supplanting his newly acquired "kids") he came back to the 16/4 guy we all come to depend on...with Marbs getting 20 and Craw getting 17, 16 came in pretty handy.
I dont want him in NY but I agree. After he got over some family stuff, he was decent. The problem with him is that he doesnt rebound, pass or defend. I really dont like players that dont do that when they can. 6'10 body and he cant rebound? He can get to the hole at will and he settles for J's? Not cool. The good thing is that we realize he should be past tense as soon as he can be.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 08-29-2005 09:20 AM]
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8/29/2005  9:33 AM
we could go into the season with the most historically (sp?) underachieving front line of all time in MoT, TT and JJ.

if they meet us (our expectations) half way, we win the championship.
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