[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

James, Frye, Sweetney and Rose
Author Thread
bigpimpin
Posts: 22176
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 11/17/2004
Member: #801
USA
8/24/2005  9:42 PM
I know our rookies haven't done athing yet, that is why I conceeded the fact that we won't be able to contend with those established frontcourts.. Frye, nate and lee all helped their teams accomplish a lot, frye took arizona to the final 4, nate's team was ranked #1 overall in the tourney and lee
s team won the SEC title this year, all these guys have had good college careers...

As far as Barron goes, I need to see him play.. May I have seen and he is even more of a fat ass than sweetney...

TKF, you tried to argue with me for no reason. Shame on you. I feel each player has accomplished something in there own rights but when you asked the question of what has May done? I knew you had to figure that whatever he's done would still be more than the other guys on the list. You saved face by saying all those guys had good college careers...

But c'mon now dawg, you know Channing Frye didn't lead 'Zona to the Final 4.

Barron is not a bad 7' footer to bring off the bench. May grouped with Brezec and Okafor are decent.

We, as Knicks fans, still have to see if Sweetney and James can stay in the game.

"Anyone who sits around waiting to hit the lottery, whether basketball or real life, in order to better their position is a loser."
AUTOADVERT
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
8/24/2005  9:56 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
I know our rookies haven't done athing yet, that is why I conceeded the fact that we won't be able to contend with those established frontcourts.. Frye, nate and lee all helped their teams accomplish a lot, frye took arizona to the final 4, nate's team was ranked #1 overall in the tourney and lee
s team won the SEC title this year, all these guys have had good college careers...

As far as Barron goes, I need to see him play.. May I have seen and he is even more of a fat ass than sweetney...

TKF, you tried to argue with me for no reason. Shame on you. I feel each player has accomplished something in there own rights but when you asked the question of what has May done? I knew you had to figure that whatever he's done would still be more than the other guys on the list. You saved face by saying all those guys had good college careers...

But c'mon now dawg, you know Channing Frye didn't lead 'Zona to the Final 4.

Barron is not a bad 7' footer to bring off the bench. May grouped with Brezec and Okafor are decent.

We, as Knicks fans, still have to see if Sweetney and James can stay in the game.

Really It is only fair that I could mention frye, nate and lee if you mention Brezec, and Barron, I mean again what the hell have those guys done? and yes fry did lead zona to the final 4, he was huge Vs OK state, took over the game late, and was huge vs illi... anyway I don't want to argue about that, none of these rookies with the exception of Brezec have done anything on the pro level and that is what we are talking about, right? Ok then, shame on you...

anyway, may is still a fat ass, and sweetney proved he can play on this level, but you are right, it is unknown weither sweets and JJ can stay on the floor, that would be a huge challenge. Our frontlin is one big question mark and really should not even be mentioned in the same sentence with detroit and miami, as of this point..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
FrenchKnicks
Posts: 21043
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 10/30/2001
Member: #147
France
8/25/2005  12:59 AM
Posted by diderotn:


I expect our big men to challenge the best of the best next season.


diderotn
Posts: 25657
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/15/2004
Member: #650
USA
8/25/2005  7:52 AM
don't hate. I love the knicks and I will go to great length to show it. The hell with you all if you can't recognize our potential...

[Edited by - diderotn on 08-25-2005 08:00 AM]
The true Knickabocker..........
TheSage
Posts: 21039
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 2/20/2003
Member: #386
8/25/2005  8:36 AM
As I recall a man named Malone had difficulty staying on the floor his first year or two (besides not having much of a mid range game. )The stats dont seems to support my reollection as to foul trouble. Sweetney has shown the game but not the ability to consistenty stay out of foul trouble. On a per 48 min basis Sweets scores 20.7 with 13.3 boards, Brezac 19.8/11.2 and Okafor 20.4 and 14.7 so I believe that Sweets can play with those guys if he stays on the floor. Its a big if but add in the rest of the knx front line and you can match up with greater depth and versatility. IMHO TT is the biggest X factor-if LB can get through to him and bring out the enormous talent the knx can rise to another level. Its abig if but we have LB plus a contract year with a man having the size speed and talent but has not shown the head of an all star.

Another X factor may be MoT if LB can get through to him-I'll take one out of the 2 and be happy.

[Edited by - TheSage on 08-25-2005 08:43 AM]
EnySpree
Posts: 44919
Alba Posts: 138
Joined: 4/18/2003
Member: #397

8/25/2005  9:02 AM
I like the Group the Knicks will put out.

Sweets, Frye, Jerome James, Rose, and Butler(Minus Mo Taylor...what the hell are we gonna do with him?) Are a nice servicable group. They may all foul out but Marbs, Q, Nate, and Craw have no chance in hell to foul out because they don't play "D" except for maybe Nate. The Knicks have their version of the old "Bad Boy" line-up. Lots of bodies to throw out there and protect the middle.
Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast https://twitter.com/DiehardknicksPC https://instagram.com/diehardknickspodcast
diderotn
Posts: 25657
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/15/2004
Member: #650
USA
8/25/2005  9:24 AM
Mo or Rose will be package with either Penny or TT by midseason....
The true Knickabocker..........
FrenchKnicks
Posts: 21043
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 10/30/2001
Member: #147
France
8/25/2005  12:19 PM
Posted by diderotn:

don't hate. I love the knicks and I will go to great length to show it. The hell with you all if you can't recognize our potential...

[Edited by - diderotn on 08-25-2005 08:00 AM]


Love will make you blind I guess :) I like the potential of this group, I really do, especially after a few years of Weatherspoon/Harrington/Baker controlling the paint for the Knicks... but come on... compete with the best?
diderotn
Posts: 25657
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/15/2004
Member: #650
USA
8/25/2005  12:49 PM
I am just keeping hope alive, that's all. To be the best, you have to think like it...
The true Knickabocker..........
Nalod
Posts: 71898
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
8/25/2005  1:06 PM
oohah
Posts: 26600
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/7/2005
Member: #887
8/25/2005  2:02 PM
Hi Diderotn,

Maybe a good way to make these guys stop making fun of you would be to show us a hypothetical breakdown of how our "quartet" will stack up against any of the better front lines in the NBA. Here, I will throw out a couple for you: Miami, Indiana, Detroit, San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Denver, Utah, Minnesota.

In my own opinion we have maybe the worst front line in the NBA, definitely in the bottom third. But maybe Sweetney will become a star against all indications, and perhaps Channing Frye or David Lee will emerge as dominant players. Stranger things have happened.

oohah
Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
FrenchKnicks
Posts: 21043
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 10/30/2001
Member: #147
France
8/25/2005  11:02 PM
Posted by diderotn:

To be the best, you have to think like it...

Has Marbury gotten into your head? He and his famous 'I'm the best PG in the league' quote... the rest is history. Marbury says he's the best, others act like it. Do you really think Duncan cares one bit about who the best is? He's just humble and think team-first. Some people would be better of learning from the right persons.
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
8/26/2005  1:58 AM
Posted by FrenchKnicks:
Posted by diderotn:

To be the best, you have to think like it...

Has Marbury gotten into your head? He and his famous 'I'm the best PG in the league' quote... the rest is history. Marbury says he's the best, others act like it. Do you really think Duncan cares one bit about who the best is? He's just humble and think team-first. Some people would be better of learning from the right persons.

Duncan may not sayit, but that doesn't mean he doesn't think it. Trust me the best players have an ego, some are just more gracious than others. Steph was really constantly goaded into saying something acknowledging Kidd as the better PG and for years he refrained from taking the bait. They love to throw Kidd up in his face. So the one time he pops off, he gets killed for it. I have no problem with what he said. In fact lets be accurate and quote what he really said:

1st January, 2005 - 7:38 pm
Newark Star Ledger - Stephon Marbury scored 30 points for the 3rd consecutive games on Saturday night, but the Nets were the better team, winning 93-87.

Marbury had 31 points and 8 assists, to Jason Kidd's 13 points and 3 assists.

"Don't get me wrong -- I love Jason Kidd, he's a great point guard," Marbury said Friday. "(But) how am I comparing myself to him when I think I'm the best point guard to play basketball?"

He refused to back off that sentiment yesterday.

"To me, I already know I'm the best point guard," he said. "So if someone asked me, it's just like asking someone, "Is it raining outside?" when it's raining. If it's raining outside you're going to tell them it's raining."

Steph is a confident player and he was just giving his honest feeling. Now every year he's at the top of the PG list in every category. Few put together all the things he does in one package. Kidd is usually only % points away from Steph in terms of production. Steph usually blows Kidd out of the water in terms of scoring. The real difference to me is that Kidd is a better leader and closer to a pure PG. This does not begate the skills that Steph brings to the table. Kidd CAN'T carry a team. Steph HAS done that before on teams with litttle offense and little experience. Kidd has been consistently on teams with better players around him. I'd say that Kidd has been #1 and Steph #2 for a while now, but that may be changing as Kidd is getting older.

2004-05 APG - Total Asts - GP -- Ast/To -----PPG
Kidd ----- 8.3 ---- 545----- 66 ----- 3.26 --- 14.4
Marbury - 8.1 ---- 668----- 82 ----- 2.87 --- 21.7

2003-04
Kidd ----- 9.2 ---- 618 ----- 67 ----- 2.89 --- 15.5
Marbury - 8.9 ---- 719 ----- 81 ----- 2.89 --- 20.2

2002-03
Kidd ----- 8.9 ---- 711 ----- 80 ----- 2.40 --- 18.7
Marbury - 8.1 ---- 654 ----- 81 ----- 2.49 --- 22.3

FrenchKnicks
Posts: 21043
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 10/30/2001
Member: #147
France
8/26/2005  2:57 AM
Well, that's exactly what I'd call a leadership problem. It's all 'I I I and me me me' with Steph. He's not putting the team first, and that's what a leader should be all about. Show the way, work hard and lead. Steph constantly blames players around him and has damaged many relationships because of that. Although he always tries to do his best on the floor, dishes a lot of assists... he's not a born leader.

Even though Duncan may think he's the best (and that's your statement, not Duncan's statement), he's working hard and always put the team first. I'd prefer the kids (Nate, Frye...) to actually learn from a true leader, and not a player like Marbs.
Nalod
Posts: 71898
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
8/26/2005  9:23 AM

If your career numbers are second only to Oscar Robertson then your reserving your place in the Hall of fame.

Winning is another way in too. His numbers project very nice for the HOF, and any good publicist would point out that he gave up the stats to win!

He would be tainted going into the hall having a loser reputation. He can fix it.
Funny thing is Oscar had a bad rep playing on bad Cincinnatti teams putting up big stats. His moving to Milwaukee and winning with Alcinder galvanized his reputation. His numbers fell to 20 and 8 playing on those teams!

Lets hope we can get Marbs his ring and a solid place in the HOF!
rvhoss
Posts: 24943
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/2/2004
Member: #777
Switzerland
8/26/2005  10:00 AM
we're going to be great this year. Dido...I got your back.
all kool aid all the time.
James, Frye, Sweetney and Rose

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy