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nyballer
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8/21/2005  2:05 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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I would make that trade in a heartbeat. Apparently people on this board didn't watch Maggette torch us in the Garden last season - the guy has a ton of talent and is getting better every year.

Why? Because right now Corey Maggette is NOT going to make the Knicks that much of a better team. What will the make the Knicks a MUCH better team is by acquiring a frontcourt scoring presence and the only way the Knicks can do that is by trading either TT or Penny, which is why I don't want to use one of those chips for soemone like Maggette, whom is a good player but not the player the Knicks need at the moment.

Penny would still be available though - if we traded both penny adn tim thomas we'd be getting back more than 25 million dollars in salary per year. I think we'd need to include some younger talent anyway for a good big - we'd probably do a penny, lee, and either ariza/nate/frye or a penny, rookie, crawford/Q deal for a good big man
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8/21/2005  3:01 PM
I'm not a big fan of his, but you think Zack Randolph will be available sometime this season?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/21/2005  3:14 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I'm not a big fan of his, but you think Zack Randolph will be available sometime this season?


He's someone I have been bringing up since last years trade deadline on this board. I know alot of people worry about his "attitude" but the kid flat out knows how to score and rebound the basketball. I think Portland is trying to move away from their JailBlazers days and a iffy record come trade deadline might make a guy like Zach expendable.

A sidenote on Zach, I remember there was a thread where we were discussing Zach and Zach might not be as bad of a person as everyone thinks. There is a writer in Portland that was vital in getting Rasheed out of town who went out of his way to purposely bash Sheed and he has been doing the same thing with Zach and thats what hits the media, I wish I could find the link again. Alot of the writers out in Portland don't think Zach is really a problem, aside from that runin he had a year or two ago with weed, I think?
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8/21/2005  3:35 PM
i undersand the trade from the perspective of locking in a dynamite young SF.

But . . . I'm tired of us taking on the Derek Fishers of the world and i'm tired of our bloated sick payroll.

Plus I don't want to give up Reezy.

So pass.

Interesting afterthought. A number of people on the board have compared Reezy to Prince. So here's my question - if Detroit had picked Melo over Darko and given him Prince's minutes, would they have won a title and come within a quarter of another?

This isn't a Darko v. Melo point - it's a Prince-appreciation point and by extension a Reezy-appreciation point.
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8/21/2005  3:35 PM
^ Ya, I remember reading that thread.


The only reason I bring up Zach is b/c of all the big-time Big men in the league, he would be most available. The thing I don't like about him is that he doesn't get teammates involved, but he does rebound and can score in the post, which we need.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/21/2005  5:28 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why? Because right now Corey Maggette is NOT going to make the Knicks that much of a better team. What will the make the Knicks a MUCH better team is by acquiring a frontcourt scoring presence and the only way the Knicks can do that is by trading either TT or Penny, which is why I don't want to use one of those chips for soemone like Maggette, whom is a good player but not the player the Knicks need at the moment.
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8/21/2005  5:35 PM
Btw, didn't Zach just have micro-fracture surgery?


Anybody know if that would likely mean he'll encounter the same problems as H2O afterwards?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/21/2005  6:17 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Btw, didn't Zach just have micro-fracture surgery?


Anybody know if that would likely mean he'll encounter the same problems as H2O afterwards?


Yes he did just have microfracture surgery, but theres a few things to think about when you look at that.

1. He's 10 years younger then Allan Houston, so his recovery time is likely faster
2. Jason Kidd had the same surgery and encountered none of the problems that Houston did.
3. Allan Houston has said a few times that he wished the Knicks medical staff had been more clear with their description of the injury and the options he had when first diagnosed. That Knicks medical staff(now fired) made numerous poor decisions and misdiagnosis in their tenure.

I know us as Knicks-fans hear the term micro-fracture surgery and get scared but its not really not a huge surgery and most players come back just fine from it. I don't think it's going to effect Zach that much, he's a young guy and should be able to come back real strong from it. I think its safe to say Zach will have many many more of his typical 20-10 seasons.
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8/21/2005  6:24 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

3. Allan Houston has said a few times that he wished the Knicks medical staff had been more clear with their description of the injury and the options he had when first diagnosed. That Knicks medical staff(now fired) made numerous poor decisions and misdiagnosis in their tenure.
I agree. The Knicks medical staff had or has a really terrible success rate. If someone got injured as a Knick, it was very rare they recovered in a timely manner. I will not mention McDyess cause he did say he was ready to play (after 2 years) right around the Steph trade but Houston, LJ, Penny and some others just didnt recover. But there might be nothing there and the medical staff just got players with a string of bad untreatable injuries.
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8/21/2005  6:25 PM
I still don't think we'll get that top flight PF for expiring contracts alone even Zach Randolph who's still very young and puts up 20 & 10. We shouldn't get our hopes up then the trade deadline comes around and our big acquistion is dampier or steve francis because they are young, athletic and versatile

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-21-2005 6:27 PM]
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8/21/2005  6:27 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I still don't think we'll get that top flight PF for expiring contracts alone. We shouldn't get our hopes up then the trade deadline comes around and our big acquistion is dampier or steve francis because they are young, athletic and versatile

Thats the kind of pessimism that is getting old man! Come on, drink some kool-aid... it's good!


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8/21/2005  6:29 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by nyk4ever:

3. Allan Houston has said a few times that he wished the Knicks medical staff had been more clear with their description of the injury and the options he had when first diagnosed. That Knicks medical staff(now fired) made numerous poor decisions and misdiagnosis in their tenure.
I agree. The Knicks medical staff had or has a really terrible success rate. If someone got injured as a Knick, it was very rare they recovered in a timely manner. I will not mention McDyess cause he did say he was ready to play (after 2 years) right around the Steph trade but Houston, LJ, Penny and some others just didnt recover. But there might be nothing there and the medical staff just got players with a string of bad untreatable injuries.


I agree Silver, I honestly don't think it was all coincidence though. None of these problems seemed to happen to other teams where they would acquire players that were injured and somehow gave the clearance (McDyess) and others that were misdiagnosed like Allan Houston and even Marcus Camby back when he was here. It's poor medical attention is what it is, atleat in my opinion.
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8/21/2005  6:30 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I still don't think we'll get that top flight PF for expiring contracts alone. We shouldn't get our hopes up then the trade deadline comes around and our big acquistion is dampier or steve francis because they are young, athletic and versatile

Thats the kind of pessimism that is getting old man! Come on, drink some kool-aid... it's good!





I'll stick with the horrible tropicana sugar free orangeade I'm drinking right now lol
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8/21/2005  6:36 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by nyk4ever:

3. Allan Houston has said a few times that he wished the Knicks medical staff had been more clear with their description of the injury and the options he had when first diagnosed. That Knicks medical staff(now fired) made numerous poor decisions and misdiagnosis in their tenure.
I agree. The Knicks medical staff had or has a really terrible success rate. If someone got injured as a Knick, it was very rare they recovered in a timely manner. I will not mention McDyess cause he did say he was ready to play (after 2 years) right around the Steph trade but Houston, LJ, Penny and some others just didnt recover. But there might be nothing there and the medical staff just got players with a string of bad untreatable injuries.


I agree Silver, I honestly don't think it was all coincidence though. None of these problems seemed to happen to other teams where they would acquire players that were injured and somehow gave the clearance (McDyess) and others that were misdiagnosed like Allan Houston and even Marcus Camby back when he was here. It's poor medical attention is what it is, atleat in my opinion.

Isn't it especially crazy when you think that people come from all over the world to New York to receive the most advanced medical care??



Caseloads, you're our resident MD (no pun intended). What's your take?
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8/21/2005  6:36 PM
Guns:


Steve Francis?

I hope that was a joke...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/21/2005  6:38 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Btw, didn't Zach just have micro-fracture surgery?


Anybody know if that would likely mean he'll encounter the same problems as H2O afterwards?

a 23 year old PF that doesn't play defense is about to START his max deal should not be on our radar. and just had knee surgery AT 23!!! heck, you think if we played sweets 35 mins and gave him the ball everytime downcourt, he could possibly put up 18&10?

zach would be a typical knicks move under someone like layden. he should not be on our radar - sorry.



[Edited by - djsunyc on 08-21-2005 6:39 PM]
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8/21/2005  6:47 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Guns:


Steve Francis?

I hope that was a joke...


I hope you understood my point. My point is don't be surprised when our big expiring contract acquisition is Steve Francis and Dampier because they are young, athletic & versatile according to Isiah. I'm hoping for a top flight PF but I'm sick of hoping for one every year only to settle for marbury, crawford,Q & Big Game as our big acquisitions.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-21-2005 6:49 PM]
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8/21/2005  6:53 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I hope you understood my point. My point is don't be surprised when our big expiring contract acquisition is Steve Francis and Dampier because they are young, athletic & versatile according to Isiah. I'm hoping for a top flight PF but I'm sick of hoping for one every year only to settle for marbury, crawford,Q & Big Game as our big acquisitions.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-21-2005 6:49 PM]

The Knicks did NOT settle for Stephon Marbury. Whenever you a chance to acquire an elite player like Stephon you do it. I'll agree with the rest of your post though. The Knicks will not get Steve Francis on this team unless they trade Stephon or Jamal as part of the deal, you can bet on that.


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8/21/2005  6:59 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by bobs3304:

Guns:


Steve Francis?

I hope that was a joke...


I hope you understood my point. My point is don't be surprised when our big expiring contract acquisition is Steve Francis and Dampier because they are young, athletic & versatile according to Isiah. I'm hoping for a top flight PF but I'm sick of hoping for one every year only to settle for marbury, crawford,Q & Big Game as our big acquisitions.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-21-2005 6:49 PM]

Well I'm glad you edited to include Big Game - that's showing some respect!



Hey, i think top-flight PF is going to = Sweets and Frye. And Game's gonna allow Frye to split between 4 and 5. Home-grown youngbloods. It's gonna be nice.
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8/21/2005  7:04 PM
Posted by Marv:

Well I'm glad you edited to include Big Game - that's showing some respect!



Hey, i think top-flight PF is going to = Sweets and Frye. And Game's gonna allow Frye to split between 4 and 5. Home-grown youngbloods. It's gonna be nice.

Haha, Big Game getting some respect on the Knicks boards. He must be ecstatic!

I hope your right about Sweets and Frye, Marv. Sweets has the makings, he just has to be able to stay on the court, hopefully Mr. Brown can finally get that through his thick skull. Frye will be good but I just hope people don't expect 17 and 10 right away, like SOME do.
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