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simrud
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8/20/2005  2:25 PM
We all need to get over the Suns being good.

A team that won 62 games last season, even with a slight talent downgrade will still win 50 and go deep in the playoffs, makin them better then us by a longshot.

Lets worry about our own team, not the Suns, the Nets, etc. Trying to keep up with teams, espeically the Nets is what got us here. Now we just need to build a team w/out lookin over our shoulders.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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8/20/2005  2:36 PM
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Well, we all agree that he had a really well offensive game,however we also all agree that he a horrible defensive game.


OK........

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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but these guys are also a lot less talented than what they had, and don't you think that totally alters the chemistry?

I will argue that this team is equal if not better than last years Suns. Not in 'physical talent' persay, (yet) but in 'players'. And I don't think they are quite done yet.

First, IMO Stoudemire will probably get better this year! Let us not discount that.

Before I get to the talent aspect, I think the Sun's chemistry begins and ends with the big 3 of Nash, Stoudemire, and Marion. It is up to other players to fit in that game. Of course, Nash brings everyone on the court into the game, so I wouldn't worry about chemistry. I would worry about Nash being able to duplicate his magical season, but who knows? He seems to add something every year, maybe this year he will come back diesel and ready to play D.

Which brings me to Joe Johnson: He left the team because he did not want to be the "Fourth Option" even though that was clearly the right spot for him. He forced the trade to Atlanta. That sounds like a chemistry killer to me. Better they lose him now before he starts making trouble during the regular season.

Talent:

Joe Johnson
I do not think the loss of Joe Johnson is has nearly the impact that many think it will. I find him to be highly overrated. He has not been good for enough time! Joe Johnson (#10 pick 2001) has had precisely 1.55 seasons of strong performances as a professional. This began when Marbury and Penny were traded and he began to shoot much more, and then when Nash got there his numbers improved, as did every player on the Suns due to Nash's distribution and the high-octane offensive style. My point is that I think Joe Johnson, while his physical talent is undeniable, benefited greatly from the team he was on last year. Let's see if he can do it this year on the Hawks. He should get numbers because he will be the main shooter (Maybe) but will they win?

I think the Suns are looking for a shooting guard (Sprewell?), and in the meantime Jimmy Jackson will be just fine.

Joe Johnson CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
01-02 BOS 48 33 20.9 .439 .273 .769 .8 2.1 2.9 1.5 .69 .19 .58 1.20 6.3
01-02 PHO 29 27 31.5 .420 .333 .778 1.2 2.9 4.1 3.6 .90 .38 1.48 1.90 9.6
01-02 -- 77 60 24.9 .430 .292 .774 1.0 2.4 3.3 2.3 .77 .26 .92 1.50 7.5
02-03 PHO 82 34 27.5 .397 .366 .774 .7 2.5 3.2 2.6 .76 .23 1.32 1.70 9.8
03-04 PHO 82 77 40.6 .430 .305 .750 1.0 3.7 4.7 4.4 1.13 .32 2.43 2.20 16.7
04-05 PHO 82 82 39.5 .461 .478 .750 1.5 3.7 5.1 3.5 .96 .29 1.80 2.00 17.1
Career 323 253 33.3 .433 .382 .757 1.0 3.1 4.1 3.2 .91 .20 1.63 1.90 12.9
Playoff 15 9 34.6 .438 .449 .658 .9 3.5 4.3 2.5 .93 .40 1.47 2.20 13.4


Stephen Hunter

Stephen Hunter (15th pick 2001) is a bum and a stiff. Give me Mark West anyday! Hunter has not become a regular starter even on bad Orlando teams. Last year the Sun's brought in walter McCarty because of Hunter's lack of game and McCarty promptly beat him out. Hunter's numbers are abysmal, especially when you consider the teams he has played for. He fouls at a very high rate as well. Hunter cannot carry Kurt Thomas' shoes, so I think that is a big upgrade for the Suns.

Stephen Hunter CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
01-02 ORL 53 21 9.7 .456 .000 .585 .8 1.1 1.8 .1 .09 .81 .30 1.50 3.6
02-03 ORL 33 5 13.5 .544 .000 .409 1.2 1.7 2.8 .2 .27 1.09 .45 1.70 3.9
03-04 ORL 59 23 13.4 .529 .000 .333 .9 2.0 2.9 .2 .08 1.24 .49 1.70 3.2
04-05 PHO 76 3 13.8 .614 .000 .479 1.3 1.7 3.0 .2 .05 1.34 .58 1.70 4.6
Career 221 52 12.7 .544 .000 .470 1.0 1.6 2.7 .2 .10 1.10 .47 1.70 3.9
Playoff 22 0 11.5 .509 .000 .522 .8 1.0 1.9 .2 .05 .95 .41 1.60 3.0

Quentin Richardson

I like Q. But from an efficiency standpoint he leaves much to be desired. I think adding Bell, Diaw, Padgett will fill the role of 3 point shooter that Q vacated pretty well, and they bring some other dimensions too.

Quentin Richardson CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
00-01 LAC 76 28 17.9 .442 .331 .627 1.4 2.0 3.4 .8 .55 .09 .84 1.30 8.1
01-02 LAC 81 0 26.6 .432 .381 .765 1.4 2.7 4.1 1.6 .96 .26 1.26 1.80 13.3
02-03 LAC 59 13 23.2 .372 .308 .685 1.7 3.1 4.8 .9 .59 .17 1.08 1.60 9.4
03-04 LAC 65 64 36.0 .398 .352 .740 2.2 4.1 6.4 2.1 1.03 .29 2.17 2.00 17.2
04-05 PHO 79 78 35.9 .389 .358 .739 1.2 4.9 6.1 2.0 1.22 .34 1.29 2.50 14.9
Career 360 183 27.9 .406 .353 .716 1.5 3.4 4.9 1.5 .88 .20 1.31 1.80 12.6
Playoff 15 15 37.6 .403 .390 .639 1.6 3.5 5.1 1.7 1.27 .20 1.00 3.50 11.9

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i think they hit on something special last year which isn't going to be duplicated. like one of those deals when everything happens to click right for a team. the chemistry worked, maybe because jj, q and amare were still young enough to not have to be "the"star on the team, nash is a selfless leader, and marion is as versatile and athletic as scottie pippen in picking up every bit of a slack that a team needs.

now all of a sudden nash, amare and marion have to be bigger stars to pick up the loss of the other 2 while the new guys all have to be the scrubs to fit in around them.

i think they would have been much better off keeping q, jj and hunter. then adding nate to that speedster team would have been as dramatic a boost for them as adding gordon was to the bulls. and they still could have tried to add some rebounding in grant, or even made a play for big game or someone else.

I don't think they want to duplicate last year's team. It was entertaining, but flawed. Even with JJ they weren't beating no Spurs! That is why they traded for KT. They needed more inside play. Grant is better than Hunter as well. Nate Richardson is going to be a nice player but point guard isn't a 'need' for the Suns. I mean, Nash did get MVP last year.

Again, remember that JJ forced the trade because he wanted a bigger peice of the pie.

Will the big 3 be better this season? I think Stoudemire will. If Nash and Marion can match or come close to last year's performances, this team will be much better rounded than last years!

Losing Stephen Hunter is virtually addition by subtraction. The shooting guard position will be okay for the Suns, but I do think they are still looking for a shooter.
excellent post. and another thing,Q was a locker room favorite, and lets not forget the fact that he was a big shot maker for the suns. And JJ, well we saw how much they missed him, the only game they won vs the spurs was the game he came back to play, that says a lot...

Losing JJ in the midst of the playoffs hurt the Suns. It will always hurt to lose your starting shooting guard with no compensation. But JJ is far from irreplaceable. By the way did anyone watch the play that put JJ out of the playoffs? I did. He had an open layup and then stupidly decided to go for a tough dunk. Stackhouse blocked the shot absolutely clean! What brought JJ to the floor face first was him hanging on the rim.

No, I think the Suns are better right now.

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8/20/2005  8:06 PM
Which brings me to Joe Johnson: He left the team because he did not want to be the "Fourth Option" even though that was clearly the right spot for him. He forced the trade to Atlanta. That sounds like a chemistry killer to me. Better they lose him now before he starts making trouble during the regular season.

Wow does that sound like a lot of speculation to me.

How do you know he didn't want to be the 4th option? When did he ever complain about his role last year? how do you know that he didn't force the trade because he was pissed at management for something else? When was he ever - ever - a "chemistry killer" that was going to "make trouble during the regular season?" Love to see what you're basing this on.

I do not think the loss of Joe Johnson is has nearly the impact that many think it will. I find him to be highly overrated. He has not been good for enough time! Joe Johnson (#10 pick 2001) has had precisely 1.55 seasons of strong performances as a professional. This began when Marbury and Penny were traded and he began to shoot much more, and then when Nash got there his numbers improved, as did every player on the Suns due to Nash's distribution and the high-octane offensive style. My point is that I think Joe Johnson, while his physical talent is undeniable, benefited greatly from the team he was on last year.

C'mon - the guy clearly arrived. Look at his career progression. 1.55 seasons? You're basing everything he's accomplished the last 2 seasons on first who wasn't - and then who was - his point guard?? You don't think you're going a little bit out on a limb here cuz you either don't like the guy or want to throw the kitchen sink into trying to back up your argument???

Let's see if he can do it this year on the Hawks. He should get numbers because he will be the main shooter (Maybe) but will they win?

Oh I see, now if he's as good on the Hawks as he was on the Suns (even without his "career-maker" Nash), you'll be ready to dismiss it unless he turns that franchise into a winner?? So if he was good on the Suns it was because of Nash and if he's good on the Hawks it will only count if he turns them around????,
Again, remember that JJ forced the trade because he wanted a bigger peice of the pie.

Again, please show me where the man said that.

By the way did anyone watch the play that put JJ out of the playoffs? I did. He had an open layup and then stupidly decided to go for a tough dunk. Stackhouse blocked the shot absolutely clean! What brought JJ to the floor face first was him hanging on the rim.

I did watch the play many times (how could you avoid the countless reruns) but i don't remember that aspect of it. But if you're gonna get worked up about a "tough dunk" why not get as worked up about a guy willing to slap on a mask and play with a busted bone in his face and coming back strong for his team when he could have easily sat with medical advice behind it. Was he being a "chemistry killer" then?

Kids, i'm here to tell ya, breakin' it down "oohah style" is a good time!

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Wow does that sound like a lot of speculation to me.

How do you know he didn't want to be the 4th option? When did he ever complain about his role last year? how do you know that he didn't force the trade because he was pissed at management for something else? When was he ever - ever - a "chemistry killer" that was going to "make trouble during the regular season?" Love to see what you're basing this on.

There was quite a bit available on this subject when the trade was firts announced. You know oohah likes to provide evidence to backup his points!:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0801suns0801.html

Johnson told several people that being a third option on the Suns was "unacceptable." He reportedly resented teammates' star treatment and disliked Amaré Stoudemire after a March halftime incident in Miami.

After Dwyane Wade's 19-point half, Stoudemire barked at Johnson in front of the team: "Are you going to play any (expletive) defense?"

Stoudemire got seven shots in the next game and then sat out two with ankle inflammation. Johnson played his best ball after that but told friends he would never re-sign.

And:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/suns/2005-07-31-johnson-future_x.htm

http://www.wsbtv.com/nba091/4793791/detail.html

For further research you can start here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22joe+johnson%22+third+option
C'mon - the guy clearly arrived. Look at his career progression. 1.55 seasons? You're basing everything he's accomplished the last 2 seasons on first who wasn't - and then who was - his point guard??

No, I am basing it on my observation of when he started putting up numbers. I don't know of a site that will show you stats for every game of a season, but you will find that JJ's numebrs jumped dramatically when Marbury and Hardaway left. His numbers jumped not because of the point guard situation, but because of the available shots situation. It was just JJ and Marion for the most part. As I recall Stoudemire was hurt most of that time. This will be a similar situation in Atlanta--JJ is hoping. Let see if all his shine is taken by Howard, Harrington and those other young bucks whose names I can't recall.

If you look at JJ's numbers with Nash, they are very similar except he is more efficient, so yes, Nash helped his game quite a bit.
You don't think you're going a little bit out on a limb here cuz you either don't like the guy or want to throw the kitchen sink into trying to back up your argument???

I always throw the kitchen sink into my posts, as long as I have a basis for throwing it in!

I will readily admit that I don't much care for JJ's game. He holds the ball, jukes and dribbles through his legs on a team that likes to whip the ball around. I don't think he plays a smart game. His talent is undeniable and I think he will enjoy a solid NBA career that will not be quite as good as Kendall Gill's, but that will be a fine career anyway.
Oh I see, now if he's as good on the Hawks as he was on the Suns (even without his "career-maker" Nash), you'll be ready to dismiss it unless he turns that franchise into a winner?? So if he was good on the Suns it was because of Nash and if he's good on the Hawks it will only count if he turns them around????,

"career-maker" is your term not mine, and I never said any such thing. JJ wants to go to a place where he can put up numbers, but numbers are hollow unless you can translate that into improvement of a given team, if not necesarily "turn it around". If the Hawks suck just as bad next year and JJ improves his all-around average, have he and the Hawks done much to crow about? (Pun intended.)
Again, please show me where the man said that.

See links above ^. Of course, I don't know JJ personally, so I have no first hand evidence to present. I only have widely published reports to back up what I am saying.
I did watch the play many times (how could you avoid the countless reruns) but i don't remember that aspect of it. But if you're gonna get worked up about a "tough dunk" why not get as worked up about a guy willing to slap on a mask and play with a busted bone in his face and coming back strong for his team when he could have easily sat with medical advice behind it.

If you watched it live than you might remember they played it back repeatedly and could not even find a foul. The NBA rescinded the flagrant and said it was body contact(BS!). I could not find the video, sorry, but I will post one if I find it. In the meantime this will turn up a bunch of stuff: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-33%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Joe+Johnson+stackhouse+clean
Was he being a "chemistry killer" then?

I am not getting worked up, I just think it was a dumb play on JJ's part. He did not have the dunk and it cost him. I have never impugned his professionalism or desire to play. I just don't find him to be remotely irreplaceable.
Kids, i'm here to tell ya, breakin' it down "oohah style" is a good time!

Feel the JOY!
(All in fun, guy, I love your posts!).

Thanks, and talk to you later.

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[Edited by - oohah on 08-20-2005 9:40 PM]
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8/21/2005  12:30 AM
Here's Joe's 2003-2004 game-by-game:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/players/player/gamelogs/2003/240297

I check out cbs sportsline a lot because they they tend to have some nice breakdowns.

I didn't do the math, but eyeballling it does appears to show that his average was higher after the Marbury trade. I still think the guy found his confidence and game and had more of an opportunity to show it after the trade.

i checked out your links, the "3rd option " quote is there, so it's reasonable to base certain opinions on it. I still find the bigger issue to be resentment over money on his part. Hey, signing a guy like JJ to max money is a major risk. There are always players like that, I remember Rashard Lewis recently, I think Michael Redd is an example now. A team may be afraid to lose a player they've been developing but not be sure they want to sink those kind of bucks into him.

Anyway, we'll all get to see where it plays out for Phoenix and Atlanta next year. It'll be an extra little subplot for us to follow.

In the meantime, it's going to be very interesting to see how KT plays against us. It's going to be strange, too. Think he gives Steph a hard foul??
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8/21/2005  12:42 AM
Posted by Marv:

In the meantime, it's going to be very interesting to see how KT plays against us. It's going to be strange, too. Think he gives Steph a hard foul??
If he fouls Steph hard going to the lane I want him suspended. I could post about 4 pictures of him watching defenders drive to the hoop. If he decides he wants to guard the paint now, Stern shoudl step in for breach of contract or something!!!!!

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 08-21-2005 12:46 AM]
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suns depended on firepower alone like they were suppose to bum rush the defense?.....this year they dont have an allstar at every position, but their front court + experience looks better than last year. so dont be surprised when they're in the finals
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Here's Joe's 2003-2004 game-by-game:
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/players/player/gamelogs/2003/240297

Thanks for the link Marv, I didn't realize they had such complete stats. I wish I had knon that for my marathon Antione Walker discussions.
i checked out your links, the "3rd option " quote is there, so it's reasonable to base certain opinions on it. I still find the bigger issue to be resentment over money on his part. Hey, signing a guy like JJ to max money is a major risk. There are always players like that, I remember Rashard Lewis recently, I think Michael Redd is an example now. A team may be afraid to lose a player they've been developing but not be sure they want to sink those kind of bucks into him.

I am certain money plays a big part of it including JJ thinking he can't get the big dollars on and off the court playing fourth fiddle. I still seems selfish and short sighted to me. Championship opportunites don't grow on trees.
In the meantime, it's going to be very interesting to see how KT plays against us. It's going to be strange, too. Think he gives Steph a hard foul??

Maybe...who do you think would win in a fight KT or Steph?
suns depended on firepower alone like they were suppose to bum rush the defense?.....this year they dont have an allstar at every position, but their front court + experience looks better than last year. so dont be surprised when they're in the finals

They have a good shot,but the Spurs still seem to me the favorite.

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Is is a coincidence that the only game the suns won was the game JJ played in?

I am sorry and I know I am going to get killed for this, but I would take JJ over marion. I am going to enjoy watching him here in Atlanta...
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the Suns are trying to sell tickets. What were they supposed to say, "This team sucks!" or "Don't waste you money!"

Ya'll hate Kurt Thomas but love Jerome James. lol
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Who said anyone here loves Jerome James?
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Losing JJ in the midst of the playoffs hurt the Suns. It will always hurt to lose your starting shooting guard with no compensation. But JJ is far from irreplaceable. By the way did anyone watch the play that put JJ out of the playoffs? I did. He had an open layup and then stupidly decided to go for a tough dunk. Stackhouse blocked the shot absolutely clean! What br

Sorry. I can only go by that since actions speak more than ... From the coach, to the national media, to the Phoenix media, to the MVP, and Amare, everyone was crying for JJ in the Spurs series. Trying to take away the Spurs, and Tony Parker outstanding play and dominance and give excuses. Curious that they were allowed to get away with it while the Knicks team and Isiah was killed for using Houston's injury as any excuse for 2003-2004. Oh well... All I heard through that series was just how important JJ was too that team and how much he had to do with their success and resigning him was top priority. And now since he tells them no to their max offer. It likes "Yeah well we didn't need you anyways." ??? Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted by tkf:

Who said anyone here loves Jerome James?

I'm taking advantage of the off-season to love the hell out of him till he steps on the court and throws all my love away!
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Posted by Marv:
Posted by tkf:

Who said anyone here loves Jerome James?

I'm taking advantage of the off-season to love the hell out of him till he steps on the court and throws all my love away!

hahaha, that won't take long with JJ...


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Posted by anklebraker:

No, it's not that Steph averages more when he distributes,however it is because he does pass. It's because no one makes their shots, and when he can't trust his own teammates, he start shooting.
Exactly; my guess is *any* good PG is gonna average more assists and fewer points in team wins than losses. Marbury always looks to pass (you don't finish top 3 in assists every year if you're not looking to pass) unless his teammates are being incompetent on offense.

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Who said anyone here loves Jerome James?
Fish?
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Is is a coincidence that the only game the suns won was the game JJ played in?

Maybe. But do you think he would have swayed the series in the Sun's favor? They Suns did pretty well against the Mavs without JJ. The Spurs were just a better team than the Suns.
I am sorry and I know I am going to get killed for this, but I would take JJ over marion. I am going to enjoy watching him here in Atlanta...

You said fun watching Atlanta? That'll be something, a throwback to the old days of 'Nique. JJ over Marion? Yikes, you must be seeing something in JJ that doesn't show up in stats or translate into all-star invites or Olympic invites. But I am not going to kill you. Are you his cousin?
Sorry. I can only go by that since actions speak more than ... From the coach, to the national media, to the Phoenix media, to the MVP, and Amare, everyone was crying for JJ in the Spurs series. Trying to take away the Spurs, and Tony Parker outstanding play and dominance and give excuses. Curious that they were allowed to get away with it while the Knicks team and Isiah was killed for using Houston's injury as any excuse for 2003-2004. Oh well... All I heard through that series was just how important JJ was too that team and how much he had to do with their success and resigning him was top priority. And now since he tells them no to their max offer. It likes "Yeah well we didn't need you anyways." ??? Just doesn't make sense to me.

The "We miss JJ" bit is to be expected because that is what they are supposed to say, it is lip service. But that doesn't mean they didn't need him THEN, just that management doesn't find him to be indespensable. The reason they got away with it, so to speak, is because Phoenix does not have a million newspapers, radio stations, etc. tring to manufacture stories 7 days a week.

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Is is a coincidence that the only game the suns won was the game JJ played in?

Maybe. But do you think he would have swayed the series in the Sun's favor? They Suns did pretty well against the Mavs without JJ. The Spurs were just a better team than the Suns.
I am sorry and I know I am going to get killed for this, but I would take JJ over marion. I am going to enjoy watching him here in Atlanta...

You said fun watching Atlanta? That'll be something, a throwback to the old days of 'Nique. JJ over Marion? Yikes, you must be seeing something in JJ that doesn't show up in stats or translate into all-star invites or Olympic invites. But I am not going to kill you. Are you his cousin?
Sorry. I can only go by that since actions speak more than ... From the coach, to the national media, to the Phoenix media, to the MVP, and Amare, everyone was crying for JJ in the Spurs series. Trying to take away the Spurs, and Tony Parker outstanding play and dominance and give excuses. Curious that they were allowed to get away with it while the Knicks team and Isiah was killed for using Houston's injury as any excuse for 2003-2004. Oh well... All I heard through that series was just how important JJ was too that team and how much he had to do with their success and resigning him was top priority. And now since he tells them no to their max offer. It likes "Yeah well we didn't need you anyways." ??? Just doesn't make sense to me.

The "We miss JJ" bit is to be expected because that is what they are supposed to say, it is lip service. But that doesn't mean they didn't need him THEN, just that management doesn't find him to be indespensable. The reason they got away with it, so to speak, is because Phoenix does not have a million newspapers, radio stations, etc. tring to manufacture stories 7 days a week.

oohah




I do think the suns could of made more of a series out of it with the spurs if JJ had been there.

And yes I like JJ more than marion and we are not realated at all... Marion is a good player, slasher but come on with the olympic invite, heck Okafor got a olympic invite, so what.. JJ is a better passer, ball handler, shooter, both long and short range, than marion, and he is no slouch on defense either, I think JJ brings more to the table, and has the talent to be a number one guy on a good team, I don't feel the same about marion,I feel he needs other good players around him to be effective as he is, he needs a pg to create his shots, I think he said that himself. JJ can create for himself and others. Don't let the hype of the nicknames"matrix", the olympic invites, and espn highlight reels fool you into believing that he is a elite player. He is far from that. JJ meant just as much to the suns. believe that..


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8/23/2005  12:00 AM
Posted by oohah:

I am sorry and I know I am going to get killed for this, but I would take JJ over marion. I am going to enjoy watching him here in Atlanta...

You said fun watching Atlanta? That'll be something, a throwback to the old days of 'Nique. JJ over Marion? Yikes, you must be seeing something in JJ that doesn't show up in stats or translate into all-star invites or Olympic invites. But I am not going to kill you. Are you his cousin?

NO! I said fun watching JJ play in atlanta...


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