Posted by Panos:

Who in Detroit is "worth building around?"

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by fishmike:

knicks1248, good points on the youth movement. I'm thrilled we are much younger. It means we have guys that can get better, and more moveable players at worst.

That being said do we have one player really worth building around?

How many of those guys are even in the League? The only sure fire winners are Duncan and Shaq. Outside of that none of those other guys has been able to Bring a title to their team. I do know that we can more easily duplicate what Detroit has done. We may not ever be able to grab a Superstar, but when you have a GREAT TEAM, you can still get the job done.

What a bunch of ingrates!!!! I happen to think that we have a high talent level with the guys we do have. You can't have 12 All Stars. You have to get players who fit your vision and at least we've been able to do that so far. Its not like this is yr 5 of the process, its been just under 2 years.

You don't even really know what these players are going to be yet. Its too dang early to know that for sure. I do think we know that they have a lot of talent. Just how high they'll go is still to be determined. You have to include LB in that talent pool as well. When judging this team as a whole its a much better situation than you guys make it out to be.

I do think we will be able to make a deal for someone in the future. That is the point of gettting all these good young players. You can't make deals if you have nothing to give. We have Exp. Contracts and attractive young players. If a team is looking to "Rebuild" and they want to clear salary, we can actually give them something for their Superstar. I can't believe how short sighted some of you are. You prove it with all your quick to be negative posts and then later when you get all the info you see that you may have been too hasty.

Posted by fishmike:

Dont forget about the playoff games against the Nets. Our team needed to feel that, to get back to MSG tradition.

Posted by knicks1248:

Don't mis-read the young movement, how silly is it to add 8 young players to your squad unless the are stars, that will be super stars, or super stars that are on the cusp of greatness, like kobe, kg, duncun, Lj, carmello, tracy, and amare.
Reguardless if ariza would have started or not, he's not a star drafty, nor is sweetny, fryer, or nate.

When you speak about young talant to build around, you need to start the rebuilding process with a shaq, TD, L, James, Ming, kind of player.

I have Never, ever , ever seen a young team do nothing other then flame out in the playoffs, or repeated trips to the to lottery, reguardless to who's coaching.

Isiah has accomplish 2 of the most important pieces to the puzzle, A super star PG, and a Hall a fame coach, everthing else has been super suspect to put it politely. The minute we get that leadership and dominate post up player at the 4 or 5 spot,
the stars and role players are 2nd nature, the league is saturated with those types.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Where are we supposed to acquire those young superstars? No one is trading them, and they weren't available at our draft position. Your post is totally unrealistic unless you can outline a strategy to get a young Lebron, Carmello, Yao, Amare, TD.

is the one who made the moves to make it possible to draft 3 players this year

Posted by nixluva:

I can't believe that people are actually questioning Zeke's talent evaluations? Are you guys totally LOST!?!

Damon Stoudemire, Marcus Camby & TMac are all solid if not great picks.

And now on the Knicks he added Ariza, N8, Frye & Lee and all of those guys are going to be solid NBA players for this team. That's 2 drafts and 4 very good players. They can all defend, score, run the floor, are VERY athletic, can hit FT's at a high clip, All can pass VERY well and they're all smart and well mannered kids. What is there not to like about these guys. You should be singing their praises. Zeke is the one who made the moves to make it possible to draft 3 players this year and he didn't waste the picks. This was a draft where you go after players who will definitely live up to their talent. I don't agree that he needed to take a chance on one of the players with high upside, but little experience. Maybe in another draft. Right now we needed to restock the shelf with solid players.

i've stated numerous times i was very happy w/Isiah's picks of Trevor Ariza, Nate Rob & David Lee...i don't remember mentioning any of those guys in this discussion, yet you & the others insist on bringing them up in the conversation to cast your labels once again...it's a comedy act around here lately.

i maintain that my gut feeling says that Gerald Green will be a better player than Channing Frye over the long haul, & i wish Isiah wouldn't have passed him up...that doesn't mean i'm questioning all of his other draft choices.

btw, to the poster who thinks that potential star calibre players are only drafted in the top 5 picks, do the names Kobe Bryant (#13), Tracy McGrady (#9), Jermaine O'Neal (#17), Amare Stoudamire (#9), Dirk Nowitzki (#9), Steve Nash (#15), Paul Pierce (#10), Ron Artest (#16), Clyde Drexler (#14), Bernard King (#7), Karl Malone (#13), John Stockton (#16) & Julius Erving (#12) among others ring a bell? Coincidentally all those guys were taken later than the #5 overall pick in their drafts.

no one's saying there's any guarantees Gerald Green will be a star player...but most scouts were touting him as having bigger upside potential than Channing Frye...Isiah took the safe bet & took the player he felt could contribute right away...i would have preferred taking the risk of going after the player w/the bigger star potential.