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so is the savings $21 mil or $12.5 mil?
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rvhoss
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8/16/2005  10:15 AM
believe it or not...I do.

this clause just wasted an entire day for a handfull of us.

I guess it was about money...still, I think we are all in agreement that Houston should have been the one that the "Houston Clause" was used on.

oh well, I really enjoyed it...thanks for the forum fellas, it's made the yankees more bearable...btw...2.5 out of the division, 1.5 out of the wildcard...and gaining.

Posted by CTKnicksfan:
07/18/01: Jerome Williams signed a 7-year, $40.8 million contract with Toronto. There is a mutual opt-out for the 7th season

Got this from JYD's player card on realgm. If true, and the opt-out is mutual, both JYD and the Knicks would need to exercise it to get out of the contract. And of course JYD would never do that. So I guess the savings really is $21mm. Feel better now?


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8/16/2005  10:28 AM
Posted by CTKnicksfan:
07/18/01: Jerome Williams signed a 7-year, $40.8 million contract with Toronto. There is a mutual opt-out for the 7th season

Got this from JYD's player card on realgm. If true, and the opt-out is mutual, both JYD and the Knicks would need to exercise it to get out of the contract. And of course JYD would never do that. So I guess the savings really is $21mm. Feel better now?

Nice. Thanks.

Maybe some of these reactionary wannabe-GMs will calm down now. So waiving JYD saved us more than waiving Mo T or Shandon, and just about exactly as much as Rose. And apparently, JYD was injured. So he wouldn't have been available to us - but that doesn't mean he'd have retired if we didn't waive him. It might just be his decision after being waived and with the Knicks offering him a public relations job.

I like how understanding a move is drinking kool aid, but jumping up and down and throwing a tantrum when you don't know all the facts is treated like some sort of informed, mature way to be a fan. Pfft.


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8/16/2005  10:43 AM
if JYD retires it still makes more sense to waive Shandon's contract...you guys trying to explain away the stupidity of this move is laughable.
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8/16/2005  11:08 AM
Posted by TMS:

if JYD retires it still makes more sense to waive Shandon's contract...you guys trying to explain away the stupidity of this move is laughable.

Not necessarily. No one knows the extent of his injuries and we maybe never will. But there's no guarantee that he would have retired if he hadn't been waived. Insurance may not cover his injuries if they weren't career-ending, and JYD wouldn't retire and forefit the $21mil still on his contract if he just wanted to walk away and wasn't badly injured.

Maybe now that he's got his money coming to him no matter what, he decided that he dosen't need the surgery/rehab that he would have required to keep playing (whatever it might be) and just decided to hang'em up. If $21 mil was on the table, he wouldn't be talking retirement.


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8/16/2005  11:17 AM
Posted by TMS:

if JYD retires it still makes more sense to waive Shandon's contract...you guys trying to explain away the stupidity of this move is laughable.


waiting around for JYD to retire doesn't open a roster spot immediately, now does it? you guys continuing to be bitter about a move we've spelled out for you is pathetic.
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8/16/2005  11:18 AM
Posted by CTKnicksfan:
07/18/01: Jerome Williams signed a 7-year, $40.8 million contract with Toronto. There is a mutual opt-out for the 7th season

Got this from JYD's player card on realgm. If true, and the opt-out is mutual, both JYD and the Knicks would need to exercise it to get out of the contract. And of course JYD would never do that. So I guess the savings really is $21mm. Feel better now?


if this is the case, then yes, i do feel better now.
once dolan said no to h20, you then had a host of choices to waive. but of the remaining possibilities, waiving jyd was better than waiving shandon, malik, and mo.

so the move makes sense (once you except the fact that h20 wasn't the one to be waived).
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8/16/2005  11:21 AM
Posted by CTKnicksfan:
Posted by TMS:

if JYD retires it still makes more sense to waive Shandon's contract...you guys trying to explain away the stupidity of this move is laughable.

Not necessarily. No one knows the extent of his injuries and we maybe never will. But there's no guarantee that he would have retired if he hadn't been waived. Insurance may not cover his injuries if they weren't career-ending, and JYD wouldn't retire and forefit the $21mil still on his contract if he just wanted to walk away and wasn't badly injured.

Maybe now that he's got his money coming to him no matter what, he decided that he dosen't need the surgery/rehab that he would have required to keep playing (whatever it might be) and just decided to hang'em up. If $21 mil was on the table, he wouldn't be talking retirement.

exactly. a lot of people read that the knicks would save more money on houston's contract if he retired, and all of a sudden they're experts in sports finance.

from what i read of IT's comments (taken with a small grain of salt) it seems like a basketball decision- JYD doesn't offer anything we're not getting from rose or anyone else, and has limitations those guys don't have. the fact that he won't go to a competitor, instead retiring, is a positive.
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