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simrud
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8/12/2005  10:28 AM
You know lets be fare, James is better then Hunter.

Hunter is not any of the things you claim he is.

He is not known to play good defense, rebound, or do anythign other then block shots actually.

He is a 10 minute a game back MAX, and will prolly fall in the middle of the spread atl ike 6 mints a game or so.

James will at leat play 16 mints, not that I think thats worth the money.

All these guys are total scrubs, I would not want any of them. Sometimes not doing anythign is better then doing stupid things no matter how much you want to get on the action.

I mean here is an analogy, you ended up going to a bad party (bad offseason) with few/no hot girls (few/no good bigmen, yeah yeah, Nalod this is material for you, too) and what do you do? Do go after the best lookin ugly girl of do you just bounce? I say bounce and wate to get laid at a party the next night with a girl thast actually hot (wate till next year and get a better big).

[Edited by - simrud on 08/12/2005 10:29:11]
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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8/12/2005  10:30 AM
You are assuming JJ is not a hot girl, beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend!

We're not trying to hook up with some cheap trick, we're trying to start a family here, the question I put to you is will JJ be a good mother? I say yes.

[Edited by - Knight on 08/12/2005 10:34:49]
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8/12/2005  10:35 AM
Put it this way, JJ is a girl that was alwasy ugly but at the lat party that your boy wen to, he says he swares that chick everybody knows is a horse was actually lookin good. And you knwo your boy was ****faced at the party like always. Do you turst him based on a one night evaluation (a 5 game run in the playoffs)?

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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8/12/2005  10:37 AM
Posted by simrud:

Put it this way, JJ is a girl that was alwasy ugly but at the lat party that your boy wen to, he says he swares that chick everybody knows is a horse was actually lookin good. And you knwo your boy was ****faced at the party like always. Do you turst him based on a one night evaluation (a 5 game run in the playoffs)?

JJ is 7-1 270, even if he can't play very well that's like an average looking girl with humongous breasts and a body to die for...
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8/12/2005  10:43 AM
too bad they are man-breasts... on his pace he will be a D cup in 2 years.
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8/12/2005  10:46 AM
Posted by fishmike:

too bad they are man-breasts... on his pace he will be a D cup in 2 years.

I know fish, I agree with you--we should bring back Dikembe
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8/12/2005  10:50 AM
Posted by simrud:

He is a 10 minute a game back MAX, and will prolly fall in the middle of the spread atl ike 6 mints a game or so.

well the #'s work - 10 mins = $15 mil, 20 mins = $30 mil

dalembert will get 40 mins and that = $60 mil.

that's the going rate for centers these days:

every 10 mins, + $15 mil


sim, you're right, james is better than hunter.
but if we went back 1 month, how many people here would've taken hunter over james for the mle?

i would.

and i'd still take him now.

come on big game, show us something this season and shut my ass up you fat bastard.
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8/12/2005  10:58 AM
Whatever JJ does there will still be people who will still hate on him--if he has a great year they will name him Jerome "Big Year" James and say he will suck next year and go back to his old ways... I'll say right now I expect 10 pts 9-11 boards and 1-3 blocks a game, anything less I'll consider a disappointment.
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8/12/2005  11:12 AM
Although I didn't put much into Hunter not starting for Phoenix, I still think there is a question as to whether he belongs in the league. Hard as it might be to say, I think JJ has proven he belongs- as what (starter, scrub, back up) place he should have, I think that is yet to be determined.

Personally, I think they should have committed no more than three years to him.
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8/12/2005  11:13 AM
Posted by Knight:

Whatever JJ does there will still be people who will still hate on him--if he has a great year they will name him Jerome "Big Year" James and say he will suck next year and go back to his old ways... I'll say right now I expect 10 pts 9-11 boards and 1-3 blocks a game, anything less I'll consider a disappointment.

the #'s you put up there is more than DOUBLE his career averages and more than DOUBLE his stats last season.

i'm confused.

what you said is that people will still hate YET you put up stats that he's never ever come close to and say it's a dissapointment. so chances are, you'll be the president of the hate bandwagon.
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8/12/2005  11:27 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:

Whatever JJ does there will still be people who will still hate on him--if he has a great year they will name him Jerome "Big Year" James and say he will suck next year and go back to his old ways... I'll say right now I expect 10 pts 9-11 boards and 1-3 blocks a game, anything less I'll consider a disappointment.

the #'s you put up there is more than DOUBLE his career averages and more than DOUBLE his stats last season.

i'm confused.

what you said is that people will still hate YET you put up stats that he's never ever come close to and say it's a dissapointment. so chances are, you'll be the president of the hate bandwagon.

Ummm, I'm assuming he will get more minutes and improve his game under LB--I won't hate him if he disappoints, I think he is worth the risk and he'll never be the garbage people try to portray him as. Nothing to be confused about.
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8/12/2005  11:28 AM
A big lineup of Iverson, Igwodala, Webb, Dalember and Hunter will cause problems if use properly. Iverson will be the point with Webb playing Point Forward. Those two can take as many shots as they want with the other 3 concentrating on defense, rebounding and blocking shots
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8/12/2005  11:31 AM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Knight:

Whatever JJ does there will still be people who will still hate on him--if he has a great year they will name him Jerome "Big Year" James and say he will suck next year and go back to his old ways... I'll say right now I expect 10 pts 9-11 boards and 1-3 blocks a game, anything less I'll consider a disappointment.

the #'s you put up there is more than DOUBLE his career averages and more than DOUBLE his stats last season.

i'm confused.

what you said is that people will still hate YET you put up stats that he's never ever come close to and say it's a dissapointment. so chances are, you'll be the president of the hate bandwagon.

Ummm, I'm assuming he will get more minutes and improve his game under LB--I won't hate him if he disappoints, I think he is worth the risk and he'll never be the garbage people try to portray him as. Nothing to be confused about.

this is where you're not getting it. NOBODY is saying he is garbage. in fact, all of us are saying he will help. it's the DEAL we're talking about here, the DEAL.

there are calculated risks and risks just for the sake of taking risks. picking up dermarr, jackie, and vin (the first time) is a calcuated risk. cheap and could help.

then re-signing vin to 2 years and giving james 5 years based on his career is not a calculated risk. it's just a risk.
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8/12/2005  11:34 AM
No you're not getting it: see the other thread where he is listed as the worst signing of the offseason because "he can't play at all" and people agreed with the article "100%"...

[Edited by - Knight on 08/12/2005 11:35:13]
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8/12/2005  11:47 AM
And as I mentioned in the other thread, we had to bid for James--we had to OUTBID other teams. According to his agent James drew interest from about a half-dozen teams and chose the Knicks over two other suitors. It's not like we had the option of picking the price and we may have overpaid but not "egregiously".
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8/12/2005  11:52 AM
Posted by Knight:

No you're not getting it: see the other thread where he is listed as the worst signing of the offseason because "he can't play at all" and people agreed with the article "100%"...
[Edited by - Knight on 08/12/2005 11:35:13]
7'1 280 pounds and 5 points and 4 rebs over 268 career games. Take it for what it is.
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8/12/2005  11:58 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Knight:

No you're not getting it: see the other thread where he is listed as the worst signing of the offseason because "he can't play at all" and people agreed with the article "100%"...
[Edited by - Knight on 08/12/2005 11:35:13]
7'1 280 pounds and 5 points and 4 rebs over 268 career games. Take it for what it is.

Okay, I'll take it for a few stats which don't tell the whole story, thanks for the numbers I haven't seen them before.
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8/12/2005  12:42 PM
They each have some pluses over the other. Considering the ages of the players and the contracts they received, I think the Sixers did better than we did.
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8/12/2005  12:53 PM
whats the whole story? Which of these ISNT true for his entire career:
attitude issues
out of shape
foul prone
misses large numbers of games
follows up great/impact game with 2 weeks of no shows

Hey.. I saw the playoff series also. The best comparison I can think of is Eddie Robinson. He had that one great playoff stretch. Put up solid numbers, played GREAT D, signed a 5+ year deal and halfway into his first year Bulls were like OOPS
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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8/12/2005  12:59 PM
http://thefamurattlers.collegesports.com/genrel/071405aac.html

Excerpts:

James is generally regarded as an intelligent player with good physical tools and untapped potential.

By his own admission, he has not always worked as hard as he should. He has also admitted to an overactive social life, but he was lauded by teammates for making strides in all areas last season.

Last season was his first as a full-time starter, but he averaged just 16.6 minutes a game.

"This is a guy who didn't play in high school," Fleisher said. "So he really got a late start, and he was injured a lot the first couple years he was in the league. He's sort of just coming into his own. I think he feels that he can do a lot more than he was asked to do in Seattle."


The SuperSonics were a perimeter-oriented team, carried by the jump shooting of Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis.

James was there to set screens, grab rebounds and play defense. He averaged 1.39 blocked shots, despite limited playing time. Given the chance, he could become an effective low-post scorer.


"He feels he showed in the playoffs he is capable of a lot more," Fleisher said.

FAMU RETRO: James played three seasons at Florida A&M (1996-98), averaging 19.9 points, 9.2 rebounds in 81 career games... He led the team in scoring and rebounding all three seasons he played, improving his scoring from 11.9 per game his first season to 19.9 in his third year... He averaged 8.1 rebounds his first year, but improved to 10.4 his third season (1998).... During his three seasons, James led the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference and ranked nationally in NCAA Division One in blocked shots, averaging 4.48 rejections per game (81 games), the seventh (7th) highest career average in Division One history... He had 119 blocks in each of his first two seasons and 125 rejections in his third season (1998).

[Edited by - Knight on 08/12/2005 13:00:23]
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