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Allanfan20
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8/11/2005  10:23 PM
I give Isiah about a C+ overall. I think Isiah has been very inconsistent overall. With the draft, he gets a B+, and it will turn to an A if Frye turns out to be a stud, and a C+ to a B if he turns out to be a nothing.

His free agent signings have been terrible, but his trades have been very inconsistent. The Crawford trade was good. Marbury was good, but now people are talking about trading either one of them. Q was good, but the Maliks, MoTs, Moochies and taking back so many bad contracts even it out. He gets about a C in terms of trades.

I don't really give Isiah much credit for the Larry Brown signing, b/c somebody said it best a while back ago, that he could have been an ordinary Joe Schmo, and could have landed Brown, with Dolans paycheck. It was a big signing, but Larry really really wanted to come to the Knicks anyway, so Isiah probably didn't have to do MUCH.
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8/11/2005  10:28 PM
Larry Brown happened to mention that he would not have come here had it not been for Isiah.

Now Isiah can't even get credit for Larry Brown? Hilarious!

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 08/11/2005 22:28:36]
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8/11/2005  10:28 PM
What do you guys want from Zeke. The only player he could have gotten that would have insured a title contender were Rasheed. and we just didn't have the right pieces to get the deal done. We couldn't have been in a position to clear enough cap space no matter what we did, in order to sign any FA in the last 2 years. It appears to me that he's done just about all that he could do in the situation he inherited.

I don't care what he did up to this point. Right now this team is better than it was last year and we have a Great Coach. We have tradeable contracts and draft picks. There is room for growth in the future.

Its been less than 2 years people!!! What could anyone have done in the same short span of time, given the raw deal he had. I just don't see how he could have done much better. Did you expect that he could have gotten Shaq or Kobe? Lets be realistic.
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8/11/2005  10:30 PM
Isiah waited for LB when it looked like a hopeless situation...no other GM in the league would have done that.
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8/11/2005  10:54 PM
Posted by Knight:

Isiah waited for LB when it looked like a hopeless situation...no other GM in the league would have done that.
True, but then again, Isiah "didn't have to do much".



[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 08/11/2005 22:57:00]
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8/11/2005  10:55 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:
Posted by Knight:

Isiah waited for LB when it looked like a hopeless situation...no other GM in the league would have done that.
True, but then again, Isiah "didn't do much".

He was busy massaging Herb's ego the whole time--and found him a new friend named Paul!
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8/11/2005  10:55 PM
Mo Taylor trade



-- we're still feeling the effects of that one today.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/11/2005  10:57 PM
A man deserves the credit for what he does. For instance, I wasn't, nor am I now, a fan of the Mo T trade. Wasn't a fan of Lenny Wilkins being head coach. But for the most part, people need to give a man credit for the good things he does. The things that give us a better chance to be a better team and build from there.

I wouldn't agree with 100% of what any GM would do here in NYC. But so far, I like so many of Isiah's moves until I can't be mad at him at all. I like my coach, I like a good amount of my players and I'm ready to start there.

Just last season, Pheonix's GM was a genius. This offseason he is suspect.

And might I also add that Joe Dumars said that he called Isiah at midnight (of the draft) and told him that he had the best draft of the year. He said he wasn't saying that because Isiah's his friend, but because he believes that to be the truth. The year Detroit won, Dumars was praised by many on this board.

GM is a funny animal. I doubt a fan likes 100% of everything they'll do over the year. But not giving them their props for putting you in a better position to win isn't cool.
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8/11/2005  10:57 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Mo Taylor trade



-- we're still feeling the effects of that one today.

Hmmm, I don't feel a damn thing....could be the sweet red beverage I was handed a few hours ago...

[Edited by - Knight on 08/11/2005 23:00:30]
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8/11/2005  11:50 PM
Frye, to me, is the most important player decision that isiah has made. It is so VERY VERY imperative that he plasy well right away, amd I wouldnt post that if I didnt think he could do it. I BELIEVE that both Frye and Sweetney can put up 14 points each, and I want expectations to BE high. I want more pressure to produce, I dont care if its a rookie or an older player. Frye best skill is his offensive skill level, thats why I believe he can get to the 13-14 point plateau in yr 1. I also know that there are BAD things that come along with frye, things that have been mentioned here ad nauseum. We need to see the Frye at the ned of last year CBB season, we need to see the Frye who has full concnetration and playing smart. We DONT need to see Frye getting lost on the perimeter and picking up stupid fouls. I understand his short comings, but his real PLUS is a big PLUS because he has beautiful touch and a real solid, solid jumper. We have to be optomists right now with Frye, we have to put expectations on him. If the dark side wins here and frye is something like 6 pts and 3-4 reb, I will be very, very disapointed we didnt take and sit on Bynum/ Frye can be a Tim Duncan lite- and as a Knick fan thats the only outcome I want to see. I think he has the offensive skill level to show real signs from game 1. amen
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8/11/2005  11:59 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Frye, to me, is the most important player decision that isiah has made. It is so VERY VERY imperative that he plasy well right away, amd I wouldnt post that if I didnt think he could do it. I BELIEVE that both Frye and Sweetney can put up 14 points each, and I want expectations to BE high.........

Is Frye starting next year?
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8/12/2005  6:46 AM
I will give Isiah a B+ for all that he has done since he has been our GM.
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8/12/2005  6:57 AM
IT has been average ab best before gettin Brown in here. Gettin Brown gets him a pass on a lot of things.

But lets see how he handles the situation as it develops as in can he build a team that Brown can make a contender? If he can't in another 2 years make us a true contender and thus simply waste the hiring of Brown, then I'd say he would fail.

I don't think he has failed yet, he just has not been as good as I wanted and hoped he would be when he got hired.

I had very high expectations of IT, and I feel like he did not meet them, and I generally don't like his way of fixing the problem, I would prefer dumping salary, and gettin under the cap. That is my main issue with IT's managment.

Well that and useless trades like the Mo Taylor trade, and to a leller degree the TT trade.
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8/12/2005  7:51 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Mo Taylor trade



-- we're still feeling the effects of that one today.
yeah because if not for that trade, we would still have Vin Baker and Moochie Noris to help us contend for a championship.
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8/12/2005  7:57 AM
Oh cmon you know that was a bad trade.

We gave up a 2nd round pick to get a player we did not neeed. Considering how deep the draft was that 2nd round pick could habe been somebody like Taft who dropped all the way into the 2nd round.

If it was not such a bad trade you would not see a thread about how we need to find a taker for one of our PF's, Mo including, every other day on the forum.

That trade was juast bad period.

Idiots who liked the Mo Taylor trade manup!!!
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8/12/2005  8:20 AM
This is very different from the thread where some posters knew that Isiah was a complete "disaster" after about one year while most of us thought it was way too early to judge him.
I will give Isiah a B+ for all that he has done since he has been our GM.
B+ sounds about right although it's still very early to give a grade.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08/12/2005 08:20:51]
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8/12/2005  8:29 AM
Regarding MoT trade for Vin and Moochie:

Not only that, but if you don't like Vin Baker, then you have no one else to blame for it than, once again, Isiah. WHAT WAS THE DEAL with that signing?!

I agree with a lot of the specific criticisms that have been made of Isiah's moves (MoT, Malik, Baker, etc.) but one thing I have to say is that at least the roster has some HOPE of getting better. If Isiah can get dump MoT, cut Houston, and let other contracts expire, at least there is light on the horizon that payroll can finally get under control soon. And we have a much larger number of young players that have potential either for us or in trades. By the end of Laydumb's career, I had NO hope for the future. Seemed like we had no assets, and nothing in the pipeline (only young potential was Sweetney & Lampe). It looked like we would suck for 10 years to come. So at least now I have hope. And for that, I have to give IT a B.



[Edited by - panos on 08/12/2005 08:30:03]
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8/12/2005  8:34 AM
I am one of the idiots that actually like the Mo T. trade. It is unfortunate that we didn't have a creative enough coach around to take advantage of the positives that Mo brings to the table. Mo is still young and can play unlike Coochie and Vinny B

Posted by simrud:

Oh cmon you know that was a bad trade.

We gave up a 2nd round pick to get a player we did not neeed. Considering how deep the draft was that 2nd round pick could habe been somebody like Taft who dropped all the way into the 2nd round.

If it was not such a bad trade you would not see a thread about how we need to find a taker for one of our PF's, Mo including, every other day on the forum.

That trade was juast bad period.

Idiots who liked the Mo Taylor trade manup!!!
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8/12/2005  9:26 AM
this is dumb

There are 3 very simple criteria for judging a GM in the NBA and the moves he makes

1) HAs he upgraded the talent
2) Has he improved the cap situation (added flexibility for future moves)
3) Has his moves translated into wins

So far Isiah has done only 1, and thats upgraded the talent. We have lost more games than in recent years and the cap situation is worse.

Hopefully Larry Brown bails him out for all of our benefits
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8/12/2005  9:51 AM
Posted by fishmike:

this is dumb

There are 3 very simple criteria for judging a GM in the NBA and the moves he makes

1) HAs he upgraded the talent
2) Has he improved the cap situation (added flexibility for future moves)
3) Has his moves translated into wins

So far Isiah has done only 1, and thats upgraded the talent. We have lost more games than in recent years and the cap situation is worse.

Hopefully Larry Brown bails him out for all of our benefits

We have more flexibility because we have players actually talented enought to trade. We will win more games next year. So that's all three! A++
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