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rvhoss
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8/10/2005  9:55 AM
I agree whole heartedly.

It's about filling needs.

Knicks needed shot blocking and depth at the guard position.

We got both and added youth at the same time.

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8/10/2005  10:12 AM
Posted by Knight:

These analysts can write anything they want and if they turn out to be completely wrong they just shrug it off or write about how they were wrong in order to self-congratulate themselves for admitting their mistakes... They don't really have any accountability.
LOL, Chad Ford actually takes credit where he is wrong and dishes out blame where he is wrong. Every analysis there was said that LB would never be the Knicks head coach. So when he does sign what do they do, well they start to attack LB.
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8/10/2005  10:22 AM
Forget about the fact that the Sixers got called out on THREE OF THE TOP 10.

If james is our only mishap, I'm cool...until somebody comes up with a better option, keeping in mind we needed to fill the gaping Nazr/Kurt hole with SOMEBODY, then you have to say JJ was the best signing.

I'm still pretty ecstatic about it...an actual center to assist in patrolling the paint while our fun and gun scorers abuse the backboard.

Craw, Q, Marbs, Nate, TT, chuck and duck.

We like to feed the post, when seattle fed the post (which ONLY occured in the playoffs) James excelled...and I'm saying he excelled DOUBLE what we need from him.

So, someone wants to make it the worst free agent signing of the offseason? Some people hated Team America and the South Park Movie, they're still my favorites as well.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. And getting Half the amount of money as Dalembart (whom we would have loved to have), I'd be happy with HALF the stats.

Which if I'm not mistaken in somewhere in the neighborhood of 6.9 pts, 6.6 boards and 1.7 blocks a game...

Oh, my mistake, that's Dalembert's CAREER AVERAGES!!

This kid is a steal, and he didn't play in high school, so we should get our money's worth out of those knees of his.

our money's worth = 7 pts, 7 boards, 2 blocks (sam's career numbers for half the price)



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8/10/2005  10:28 AM
Yes, you can compare JJ to players with better deals or players with worse deals, so you can say we either overpaid or underpaid...spin it however you want--he's our center!
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8/10/2005  10:36 AM
the thing is...I can't think of anybody that got a better deal that indicates we actually overpaid for him.

The length of contract is up for debate, but by then, we'll be in the eastern conference finals and he'll be stuffing shaq's dunk back down his throat while Ariza holds Wade to no points in the fourth.
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8/10/2005  10:49 AM
who were we supposed to sign for the MLE instead?

SAR? no need for him on this squad.

Stephen Hunter? Still unsigned. Sure, we could have given him 3 years @ $3m- but he hasn't exactly shown anyone that he belongs in the league any more than our own Bruno Sundov.

I'm happy to get 6, 6 & 1 out of JJ- if he can also make others better by being able to keep our front court from getting pushed around all the time.

How many times did an opposing C just reach over KT to grab a board the past season?

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8/10/2005  10:58 AM
When I watch Bruno I expect him to be Rony Seikly!
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8/10/2005  11:08 AM
here's a newsflash: we STILL need a center. Overpaying and hurting your flexibility in the near future for a warm body isnt my idea of filling a need.
You have to understand that Isaiah is not a fool and does his homework.
So what.. he's immune to making bad choices? Did he do the homework on Lenny Wilkins, Mo Taylor, Tim Thomas or Vin Baker?

Overall I'm happy with the direction we are going in but to me JJ is a setback. JJ fills the need at starting center like Ward filled the need at starting PG. The guy stinks, cant stay in a game more than 15 minutes, is always out or hurt, is 30 and next year when people are talking about hot to upgrade center we will have him for 4 more years.

But thank god we have filled a need. I would have thought if we learned anything about the Larry B signing it would be that patience was worth it. Maybe not.
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8/10/2005  11:13 AM
It was a terrible signing. We had no right even speaking to James, if we wanted to use the whole MLE on a center. We might as well have gotton Hunter.

Lets look at it this way. This has been a typical Knicks move. It's right up there with signing Spoon longterm, trading Rice for Eisley and Anderson, trading multiple draft picks for guys like Othella Harrington and Mark Jackson and close to giving Houston 100mm. It was extremely short sighted. Yes, we needed shotblocking and defense, but we needed it from a guy who can stay on the floor. We needed it from fresh legs. And if we couldn't have gotton it in that way, then it would have been best to gut it out. It would have been 10X smarter to just extend Ariza and see how Frye can do with Sweetney, whether he's ready or not. If we ended up sucking, at least we get a great lotto pick and maybe a shot at Josh Boone or Rudy Gay. So lets say James stays the way he has been his entire career. Guess what, we're paying someone 30mm to play 15 minutes of basketball.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 08/10/2005 11:13:50]
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8/10/2005  11:16 AM
One of the biggest criticisms people have with James is that he's always in foul trouble--but that's something a player can easily improve on and IT acknowledge that they are going to work on controlling his aggression...but I guess he's already a bust, there's no use.
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8/10/2005  11:17 AM
And on August 15th, the New York Knicerbockers use the amnesy clause to sign Allaaa, no wait, I can't believe what I'm seeing, they are waiving Big Gay, Jerome James. The sad part is I bet any other team would do that.
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8/10/2005  11:19 AM
I'll take that bet. I'm sorry but that was a ridiculous comment about James.

[Edited by - Knight on 08/10/2005 11:20:30]
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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8/10/2005  11:21 AM
yeah, you guys are kind of ridiculous.

It's one thing ot continue to bash the guy, but to offer no alternatives is even weaker.

such babies sometimes.
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8/10/2005  11:29 AM
My whole point was "Take no alternative as opposed to the worse alternative." I'm sure you'll find it somewhere in my 300 posts on why we should have done nothing as opposed to sign Jerome to big money long term.
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8/10/2005  11:32 AM
If we are talking about "big money" and the Knicks players then Jerome James should be one of the last names out of anybody's mouth.
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8/10/2005  11:35 AM
and somewhere in those 300 posts I would have for sure countered it with "are you crazy man"

let me go on record, I'd much rather have a team that makes the playoffs then what we had last year.

I'm done with crappy teams.

next year's MLE will fill another need.

I'm not looking to suck like the bulls did (and btw, will continue to do) or really really suck like the wizards did (and btw, will continue to do)...even NJ's mini uprising would have been worth it.

But to sit around and do nothing hoping Lebron would like to come to the knicks because we have cap room is crazy talk.

I mean, the teams that have the most cap space SUCK. I mean, they have SUCKED for YEARS.

I don't wanna be that team. I'll take what we've been fed for the last 5 years over what the hawks and clippers are feeding their fans.

Every game I went to last year was awesome (except for the celtic opening night blow out), and that's what I want...I'm not looking for players I don't know, that won't be here.

LB gives us 8 - 10 wins, but he doesn't come here IMHO if we don't have JJ.

there comes a time when you have to jump on the train and see where it leads you.

if we root hard enough, we will contend.
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8/10/2005  11:36 AM
has anyone forget that we won 33 games?

We arent filling needs for a playoff run. Thats why SA added Nazr. We should just be stockpiling talent.

YES, Sar would have been a better piece to have. As would Swift, Gadzurich, the young guy the Hawks signed (Z.P), etc

At this point we should only be targeting 2 types of player IMO
Guys that are young and guys that will have a high resale value. A 27 year old career 20/8 player like Rahim making the MLE would have high resale, and I could see him taking pressure off the backcourt scoring like Jamison did for Hughes and Arenas last year.

either way he's a good piece to have.
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8/10/2005  11:39 AM
Posted by fishmike:

has anyone forget that we won 33 games?

We arent filling needs for a playoff run. Thats why SA added Nazr. We should just be stockpiling talent.

YES, Sar would have been a better piece to have. As would Swift, Gadzurich, the young guy the Hawks signed (Z.P), etc

At this point we should only be targeting 2 types of player IMO
Guys that are young and guys that will have a high resale value. A 27 year old career 20/8 player like Rahim making the MLE would have high resale, and I could see him taking pressure off the backcourt scoring like Jamison did for Hughes and Arenas last year.

either way he's a good piece to have.

Another PF who can't defend, just what we need. If we're not trying to make the playoffs I don't know why we are 50 million over the cap and just hired Larry Brown. This is getting a little silly. Why do people point out that we won 33 games last year and forget to mention all the talented players IT brought in this year?

[Edited by - Knight on 08/10/2005 11:43:20]
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8/10/2005  11:45 AM
hey.. I like JJ, maybe even for 2 years and $10mm. But for $30mm? Hows this for an alternative option: NOTHING

Like I said, go back to Vin Baker. For 2 years it was a fair gamble. He was really solid at the start of the season with Boston. Taking a gamble that he could recapture some of that was fair. It didnt happen and he was a total bust, but you can live with a two year deal. Now picture Vin Baker is still a Knick and has 4 years remaining on his contract at $5-$6mm per. Hows that sit with you?

How many times have we seen this with Spoon, Travis Knight, Eisley, Shandon.... its nuts. You dont give role players 5-6 year deals at big money. It ALWAYS blows up.
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8/10/2005  11:48 AM
5 mil is not big money. Det gave Ben Wallace a similar deal after he averaged 5/8 with Orlando.
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