Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by BRIGGS:



very good point.

---->I love the part where he states trading Q not to get cap space... how would he say otherwise, we did get some capsapce but a crappy town with a crappy team destroyed my genius plan ? lol



some people live in fantasy worlds or just may not believe that they didn't like Q. The Pheonix Suns took ON more salary by trading for Kurt Thomas, paying the 3mm$ trade kicker and then signing raja Bell.

If KT is an average of
7mm per year
Raja is 5mm per year ANd they paid out 3mm for the trade kicker
thats 15 MILLION compared to Q rich's salary of 6.5
this year. That means they took on substantial salary. I mean using common sense and basic math--where did they save money here? they are paying out much more! Q has shot below 40% now for 3 years--do you think it is possible that giving us pick 21 and paying the trade kicker and taking on more salary--perhaps they realized they didnt like the player????? Nate Robinson is going to be a fine player for us, but to the Suns, isnt that just pick 21 in the draft? They do have the mVP of the leauge playing PG and a pretty good back up in Barbosa--so while any team in the league couldve used nate, does it seem plausible that he wasnt even on their radar? Supposedly they had lost interest in the draft after Ike Diogu was off the board--maybe this is why they gave the pick up this year? Trades have two sides--we will have to see for ourselves what Q rich is, but to the Suns --obviously he was a guy that they realized they didnt want. We tried to get anyone to take KT and all of a sudden there throwing a pick at us + Q rich? They may not win 62 games, that type of winning is nuts, but anyone who thinks a team that has Amare Stoudemire Marion and Nash as a core is going to break down are crazy. The Knicks are better than the Suns now? get real

No one is saying that Briggs, you miss the point. The Suns are far worst than what they were last season. And if you asked people in the know, they were pushing real hard just to finish last season on a strong note while the Spurs had injuries and still finish strong. The Suns were fortunate that they didn't have real big men to deal with in the playoffs and when they finally ran into some, it hurt them. Now I don't know where you put KT in the line of big men but while I think he was a solid KNick I don't think of him as being dominant. I think if he has to play guys like KG, Duncan, Ming and Dirk on a regular basis he will be really expose. He has lost a lot of lateral quickness over the years (I think it is extra weight he is carrying as much as him getting older). Bell is a nice pick up but he is only good in spots and not meant to be long term fix. I think this CBA is what caused the Suns ownership to get rid of Q, it really punishes teams over the luxury tax and with Marion contract coming up, there was no way that the Suns were going to be able to max out 3 players, keep Nash's contract and still have Q's contract and pay that luxury tax. Q was the expendable guy, while they were confident that JJ would return. Now they have egg on their face. If they could take a mulligan and get Q back don't you think they would knowing what JJ plan was all along. Do you think they really believed that KT was the answered to all their problems, or that Dijion will fill a void.

blah blah blah this makes no sense whatsoever.

Posted by raven:

Posted by BRIGGS:

The Knicks are better than the Suns now? get real

please briggs, for once read the post you're replying to.

nobody ever said that.

now it'd may be your turn to get real.

Why do other gms make good decisions while the knicks would not ?

Is it so hard to accept that for once, mr magic touch collangelo mcould have made a mistake ?

comon, KT was nothing but stats.
good defender maybe, but with no influence on the game.
good jumper but that 's not what you need from the 4.
we all knew KT was not a starter in this league, so don't act as if we got f..... again.

Q was badly misused in phonexi. no postups, only perimeter shooting. they got him paid him and then, wow, relaized they had no need for him.

How many options did they have ? right, not that much. They'll be in cap hell soon enough with no NY knicks type means to get out of the hole.

Soon nash will break down, JJ a Q left and whoever think they can replace him with bell and Jim Jackson is totally insane.

The knicks front office can do good things briggs. With all repsect, you most often than not post great analysis, but you're not always right on everything.

a team with amare stoudemire, steve nash and shawn marion--if they played with 7 scrubs would win 50+ games. who knows what happens last year if JJ doesnt get hurt. So they go out and get another quality big man--KT and depth--they lose Q--oh my--and even if they lose JJ-which is now in serious doubt, they get compensated with basically TWO unretricted picks from a shtty atlanta team not bad having amare stoudemire on their team is better than having 12 current knicks and if you understand basketball, you know what Im saying.

Posted by Pharzeone:

why because it disagree with your thought that the Suns just wanted to drop Q no matter what. That is sort of silly after just signing him one year before that doesn't make any sense.

Posted by franco12:

if the suns were being so concerned about cap space, why not try to dump marion on us for a TT or Penny type deal, and then keep JJ?

Perhaps they are doing what some other good GMs have done and thats get value for players when they still can, and re-tool.

Perhaps they take a step back this year, but they retool for next year?

I don't know, I thought JJ was a solid player.

Posted by BRIGGS:

a team with amare stoudemire, steve nash and shawn marion--if they played with 7 scrubs would win 50+ games.

who knows what happens last year if JJ doesnt get hurt.

So they go out and get another quality big man--KT and depth--they lose Q--oh my--and even if they lose JJ-which is now in serious doubt, they get compensated with basically TWO unretricted picks from a shtty atlanta team not bad having amare stoudemire on their team is better than having 12 current knicks and if you understand basketball, you know what Im saying.