Posted by fishmike:

Earl Watson is bad. I watched tons of Memphis games last year because one of my friends is a big fan. If want Charlie Ward part II than by all means. He has no offensive skills. He got killed in the playoffs last year also. Even the TNT guys were wondering why after 2-3 great qtrs of play from JW why Fratello was putting in Watson. He plays hard and takes care of the ball. Thats it. He's great for $2mm a year and 15 minutes off the bench at most. Any team thinking this guy is a solution at PG better have a lot of other playmakers on the team, cause he aint one.

I was wondering the same thing as the TNT guys. J Will was killing phoenix and Mike benched him for Earl the not-so-pearl.

Posted by islesfan:

Marbury isn't anywhere close to being the type of player Iverson is so I don't know why people would think he would have the same type of success. Marbury isn't a good spot up shooter and doesn't have a lot of confidence in his shot. He isn't good at coming around screens and shooting. His game is to penetrate and create his own shot which means he has to have the ball in his hands.

Marbury is the best PG on the team and Crawford and Q are better suited to SG than Marbury is, so why make yourself worse at 2 positions?

Islesfan.............we actually agree on something.

I don't think it will be bad to switch him there at points during the game though, I just want him to be the PG most of the time.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/12324352.htm

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• There's no doubt that coach Larry Brown still likes guard Eric Snow and probably would like to bring him to the New York Knicks. The problem is the Knicks already have Stephon Marbury at the point, and they drafted 5-10 Nate Robinson in the first round. Robinson was impressive in the summer league. The Knicks would love to dump some overpaid, underachieving players on the Cavaliers for Snow.

The Knicks would love to dump some overpaid, underachieving players on the Cavaliers for Snow.

isn't overpaid and underachieving THE DEFINITION of snow right now?

another speculated article by the papers.

anyways, moving steph to SG WILL NOT be like moving iverson to SG. iverson had NOBODY to help him pick up the slack. we have alot of scorers so there will be constant movement of the ball. i see steph and craw interchanging roles as the game goes one where both will handle the ball, both will be asked to set players up, and both will be asked to score. LB HAS NEVER had a backcourt tandem like this where BOTH players can handle the rock, run the offense, or score. more likely than not, he will have to adapt to their skillset as opposed to "molding" them into a chauncy/rip type backcourt.

i think ANY trade scenario now is WAY WAY WAY premature for steph or craw b/c they will be given a full opportunity to work under LB for at least this season.

if anything, this team needs a shooting guard who can shoot a high % of shots from outside.

And even if you wanted Marbury at the 2, why not use Crawford as the PG and have nate back him up?

Crawford is 6th man.
marbury starts at the 1.
Q starts at the 2.
TT will start at the 3.

When craw comes in, he will be coming in for any of the 3 and will play the 1 or the 2.

If Q is still on the floor, he moves to SF.

Not too hard to understand.

why is it that i never hear anyone mention how this all effects Jamal Crawford? if Marbury is moved to the SG position, it would be to open up a spot for Eric Snow to come here...there's no way LB would want JC orchestrating the offense he wants to implement imho...i wonder how JC feels about Marbury publically stating how he would welcome taking over his position in the starting rotation.

Posted by misterearl:

The Knicks need a third center. Plain and simple.

Crawford has MORE than enough handle to play a disciplined point gurad for Larry Brown.

Kevin Ollie? Snow? gimme a break!

You mean 2nd Center....Rose is a PF buddy, no matter how many minutes he sees at the 5.

Give you a break? How bout no. You're overlooking consistency, defense, and unselfishness over athleticism, potential, and scoring.

I like Crawford, and I actually think he's underrated as far as other people's perception of him - bad shooter, defensive liability. But Knick fans, on the other hand, TOTALLY overrate him, and it's getting annoying.

Here's the thing - Crawford should and probably will be the 6th man coming off the bench. Marbury and Q Rich in the backcourt would be OK, but personally, I'd much rather have a defensively-capable guy among the starters at the 1,2,and 3. If you're starting Marbury and Q Rich, Tim Thomas SHOULD NOT be playing SF...period. Do I think Ariza's ready - No. In this scenario, I'd simply rather have JYD at the 3, and maybe Sweetney at the 4.

Larry Brown cannot and HAS never taken a whole team, and transformed them into something else. Why do you think he has the reputation for being trigger-happy as far as trading players? I can make a guarantee - atleast another trade will go down before the season begins. I know Isiah has convinced most of you that we're "rebuilding", but that's only to save face. He knows, as well as most Knick fans should, that our goal is to make the playoffs. To say we're rebuilding is to admit you're not paying attention.

Personally, I think AT THE VERY LEAST, 1 of our PF's has just go to go.

After that....well, you never know. Personally, I'd trade Crawford, but I really doubt Isiah would be willing to part with him anytime soon. Certain players he loves - and Jamal is one of them.

My personal favorite habit among Knick fans is how they believe ANY player we have will become a better defender simply b/c Larry Brown is here. That's hilarious, and it shows how naive some of you really are. Did Carlos Arroyo become a better defender? How about Elden Campbell? Corliss Williamson? McDyess?

You wanna know what Larry does - he teaches players that already have an affinity for playing D. If you really have the ability to be a good defender, then you'll probably be become one under him. And if that's just not your game, then you probably won't last long, atleast under him.

The question is - what players on our team just can't play D? Well, that remains to be seen quite honestly, but I think it's fair to assume veterans like Mo Taylor and Tim Thomas just won't cut it. I think EVERY Knick fan can agree that once you've hit your prime and you STILL are showing the same old bad habits.....you are what you are and there's nothing you can do about it.

And THAT is why I'd even slightly value a player coming here like Snow or Ollie. They're unselfish and can flat out play defense. The fact that both of them have ALREADY passed the "Larry Brown test" says enough for me...

Posted by rvhoss:

Frye is a center IMHO.

Since when?

Since he got man-handled in the Summer League you mean?

Wow, then I guess b/c Frye is 6-11 he's a Center, and b/c Rose is 6-7 he's a SF...

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by rvhoss:

Frye is a center IMHO.

Since when?

Since he got man-handled in the Summer League you mean?

Wow, then I guess b/c Frye is 6-11 he's a Center, and b/c Rose is 6-7 he's a SF...

wow thats dumb...Frye is a center, when was he ever a PF?

Just b/c someone is 6-11 doesn't make them a Center.

Malik Rose is 6-7 and he mans the paint better than Frye ever could (atleast right now).

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08/08/2005 14:52:15]