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HARDCOREKNICKSFAN
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8/2/2005  10:06 PM
I like the TT for Hill idea lots more than trading for Stevie or Baron.
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8/2/2005  10:17 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

I like the TT for Hill idea lots more than trading for Stevie or Baron.

and their huge long term contracts or any other player who has a huge long term contract who isn't worth the hassle. Brand is worth it but are we getting him for TT? the clippers are not trading their bigman in a league where top flight bigman don't come around very often. Grant Hill for TT is realistic and with larry, marbury and hill who averaged 18pts on 51% shooting last year we'll be right up there in the East. And again Hill's contract expires only 1 year after TT's along with H20 & Taylor's
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8/2/2005  10:19 PM
Guys, trust me on this - Timmy isn't gonna land us any impact player.

In order to really make that happen, we'd have to throw in Ariza and a First Rounder. The only reason Carter and B. Davis got so little in return is b/c they more or less forced a trade out of their respective cities.

I just don't see that type of situation happening b/w now and February.

Second thing is that Christie and Cato are expiring contracts. And trading Timmy opens up a spot at SF, so no one would be losing minutes. You have to throw in a Fut. Pick. The Magic are dumb, but they're not retarded. Cato doesn't need to be dealt, so they'd have to have SOME sort of compensation, even if Christie wants no part of Orlando and is making their lives miserable.

Oh, and I wouldn't care if Davis or Francis were available. They're 2 impact players we DON'T want any part of.

Lastly, even if a KG became available, if God answered our prayers. It wouldn't matter if we still had Timmy, b/c we'd still have Penny. In that type of scenario, the Wolves could care less whether they got Penny or TT b/c it's all the same to them - cap space.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/2/2005  10:21 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by s3231:

Don't like that deal. Both Cato and Christie are over 30 years old and they don't really make our team that much better right now.

do you like Jerome James at 5 years & $30 million? personally i think Cato's a better player than Jerome James...certainly a better defender, gives you more consistent effort on both ends of the floor, & can block shots with the best of them...i'd easily make that trade if i could...Christie is another player who can add a nice element to this team, mainly perimeter defense.

No, I've hated the Jerome signing from the beginning. For 2 or 3 years I would have been fine with it, 5 years is too much though. The thing is, I don't see how you can make this deal now instead of waiting till the deadline for a firesale. Now that we have Jerome, I think him and Frye have to get minutes at the 5. With Cato here that would mean less minutes for Frye and thats the last thing I would want for our team. Christie would be our best perimeter defender but our backcourt is crowded enough as it is and its not like we have old guards crowding it. Stephon, Crawford, Nate, and Richardson will take care of those minutes and if you add Christie is just becomes more crowded. Plus, he has us giving Orlando a pick in this deal. I just don't get why we should make a deal like this right now.
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8/2/2005  10:22 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Guys, trust me on this - Timmy isn't gonna land us any impact player.

In order to really make that happen, we'd have to throw in Ariza and a First Rounder. The only reason Carter and B. Davis got so little in return is b/c they more or less forced a trade out of their respective cities.

I just don't see that type of situation happening b/w now and February.

Second thing is that Christie and Cato are expiring contracts. And trading Timmy opens up a spot at SF, so no one would be losing minutes. You have to throw in a Fut. Pick. The Magic are dumb, but they're not retarded. Cato doesn't need to be dealt, so they'd have to have SOME sort of compensation, even if Christie wants no part of Orlando and is making their lives miserable.

Oh, and I wouldn't care if Davis or Francis were available. They're 2 impact players we DON'T want any part of.

Lastly, even if a KG became available, if God answered our prayers. It wouldn't matter if we still had Timmy, b/c we'd still have Penny. In that type of scenario, the Wolves could care less whether they got Penny or TT b/c it's all the same to them - cap space.

i don't trust anybody that doesn't shave.

you're looking into your crystal ball again. did you know bdiddy or vince was going to get traded - let alone for WHAT they got traded for as of last august 2nd?

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8/2/2005  10:22 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

I like the TT for Hill idea lots more than trading for Stevie or Baron.

and their huge long term contracts or any other player who has a huge long term contract who isn't worth the hassle. Brand is worth it but are we getting him for TT? the clippers are not trading their bigman in a league where top flight bigman don't come around very often. Grant Hill for TT is realistic and with larry, marbury and hill who averaged 18pts on 51% shooting last year we'll be right up there in the East. And again Hill's contract expires only 1 year after TT's along with H20 & Taylor's

Guns, who'd you trade for Elton Brand?
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8/2/2005  10:23 PM
^ Frye is NOT a Center.


You make this deal b/c it fills some holes, boosts our defense, and gives us more flexability for future trades with 2 expiring quality players instead of 1.

And yes, you throw in a Fut. 2nd. WE have no leverage in a trade like this, and the pick evens it out. God knows we have a stockpile of them anyway.

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/02/2005 22:28:34]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/2/2005  10:40 PM
Also, this is the type of deal that would happen before the season b/c the Magic would want to take advantage of saving as much money as possible (b/c the difference b/w Timmy's salary and Cato + Christie is about 1 1/2 Mill.)
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/2/2005  10:41 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

I like the TT for Hill idea lots more than trading for Stevie or Baron.

and their huge long term contracts or any other player who has a huge long term contract who isn't worth the hassle. Brand is worth it but are we getting him for TT? the clippers are not trading their bigman in a league where top flight bigman don't come around very often. Grant Hill for TT is realistic and with larry, marbury and hill who averaged 18pts on 51% shooting last year we'll be right up there in the East. And again Hill's contract expires only 1 year after TT's along with H20 & Taylor's

Guns, who'd you trade for Elton Brand?

no one on our current roster is getting us Brand. There has to be a reason for the Clippers to trade him and right now there isn't and most likely will never be because Brand is one of the few elite bigman. Portland isn't trading their bigman, Randolph who they surrounded with excellent guards.

I'm just asking who would be worth trading TT for Boozer and his huge contract? I rather take Grant the Great and his short contract
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8/2/2005  10:44 PM
TT and a 1st wouldn't even land you Boozer...not by a longshot as a matter of fact, especially since Utah is making a run next season. They're looking to build on what they already have, not tear it down.

Same goes for the Clippers as a matter of fact.

There really are no elite big men, even impact big men, that are or will be available anytime soon.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/2/2005  11:09 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Guys, trust me on this - Timmy isn't gonna land us any impact player.

In order to really make that happen, we'd have to throw in Ariza and a First Rounder.
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8/2/2005  11:16 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bobs3304:

Guys, trust me on this - Timmy isn't gonna land us any impact player.

In order to really make that happen, we'd have to throw in Ariza and a First Rounder.
bingo
Thomas alone may not land us an impact player but Thomas plus Hardaway could land us one along with a bad contract.
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8/2/2005  11:21 PM
Posted by Knixkik:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bobs3304:

Guys, trust me on this - Timmy isn't gonna land us any impact player.

In order to really make that happen, we'd have to throw in Ariza and a First Rounder.
bingo
Thomas alone may not land us an impact player but Thomas plus Hardaway could land us one along with a bad contract.
the possibilities are endless when you consider $30 mil in expiring contracts and 8 talented young players between 19 and 25 that can be components of trades.
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8/2/2005  11:24 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

no one on our current roster is getting us Brand. There has to be a reason for the Clippers to trade him and right now there isn't and most likely will never be because Brand is one of the few elite bigman. Portland isn't trading their bigman, Randolph who they surrounded with excellent guards.

I'm just asking who would be worth trading TT for Boozer and his huge contract? I rather take Grant the Great and his short contract

Well the Clips have cut their own throats before, maybe Isiah can luck up. They'd have to be tanking the season to consider the move, which isn't that hard for them to do.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 08/02/2005 23:38:46]
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8/2/2005  11:25 PM
How's this for a prediction:


The Clipps will finish with the same regular season record as us.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/2/2005  11:30 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

How's this for a prediction:


The Clipps will finish with the same regular season record as us.
Replace "finish" with "start" and I'll agree with you!
bobs3304
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8/2/2005  11:31 PM
How bout no:


Clipps and Knicks will both finish around .500.


You heard it first here...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
Orlando -- NY Deal...Possible?

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