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Allanfan20
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8/3/2005  11:02 AM
Bob, you need to lay off the insults, it's getting old and more and more people are gonna stop reading your posts. It seems like there's one in every one of your posts now.

On a sidenote, I think we would HAVE to give up Marbury for Kevin Garnett, b/c other teams can offer much more and better than the young guys we have. As for expiring contracts, the Wolves aren't stupid. There's not going to be ONE SINGLE PLAYER who will want to come to Minny if Garnett is not around. They are gonna need a superstar player in return, or a star with a bunch of other things to make up for basically everything that Garnett did. It would take something like Marbury, Sweetney AND Ariza plus draft picks, the way I see it and we'd have to take back Wallys contract as well. Is anyone here willing to do that for KG, with his age and recent health problems?
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8/3/2005  11:02 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Just one other thing,



STOP WITH KG TRADES.


If the TWolves traded him, they wouldn't make any $$$. There's a reason they call him the Big Ticket, and just for you information, the package would have to be Penny, Timmy, Ariza, Frye, and 2 1sts for KG and Wally + filler (if necess.)

Try staying realistic. Do yourself a favor, bring your original offer to the Wolves board on RealGM. Can anyone say IB4TL?

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8/3/2005  11:02 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Just one other thing,



STOP WITH KG TRADES.


If the TWolves traded him, they wouldn't make any $$$. There's a reason they call him the Big Ticket, and just for you information, the package would have to be Penny, Timmy, Ariza, Frye, and 2 1sts for KG and Wally + filler (if necess.)

Try staying realistic. Do yourself a favor, bring your original offer to the Wolves board on RealGM. Can anyone say IB4TL?

Somebody tell me where yall found this cat? OMG, all you did was add Frye to the mix.. and by the way it doesn't even work. STFU!
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8/3/2005  11:07 AM
You guys just don't get it.

A.) I'm not insulting anyone. If you say something "uninspired", I'm calling you on it, just like you would with me. I always gladly admit fault, so why don't you try some humility.

B.) You're not taking into account why and for who MINNESOTA would trade KG. I'll tell you for what. Cap space, young talent, and picks. Why swap players and not shed cap space, when you can just hold onto the best player in the NBA? Any trade involving KG would involve Wally and probably Hudson. If you're Mchale, you don't trade KG for anything less than 100 % CAP OBLITERATION. No Crawfords. No Marburys.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  11:09 AM
Somebody tell me where yall found this cat? OMG, all you did was add Frye to the mix.. and by the way it doesn't even work. STFU!


Yes it would, but that's beside the point.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  11:11 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Bob, you need to lay off the insults, it's getting old and more and more people are gonna stop reading your posts. It seems like there's one in every one of your posts now.

On a sidenote, I think we would HAVE to give up Marbury for Kevin Garnett, b/c other teams can offer much more and better than the young guys we have. As for expiring contracts, the Wolves aren't stupid. There's not going to be ONE SINGLE PLAYER who will want to come to Minny if Garnett is not around. They are gonna need a superstar player in return, or a star with a bunch of other things to make up for basically everything that Garnett did. It would take something like Marbury, Sweetney AND Ariza plus draft picks, the way I see it and we'd have to take back Wallys contract as well. Is anyone here willing to do that for KG, with his age and recent health problems?

Thing is, I dont think Minny would want Marbury in a trade for KG, or any star for that matter, cuz most stars are tied to huge contracts of their own. They would need to get some sort of cap relief out of this deal, because its not likely they would get any sort of return on a talent for talent deal. IMO, the only star players they would trade for would be one on their rookie contract, plus lots of expiring contracts.

Since nothing like that exists (Cavs(bron), Tor(bosh), Miami(Wade), Nuggs(Melo), Orlando(Howard), none of them have expiring contracts), I still believe that, should the Wolves find themselves 12-26 at the break, they would take a cap deal from us. Plus, of course, a bunch of young talents and picks.
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8/3/2005  11:12 AM
Posted by firefly:


I still believe that, should the Wolves find themselves 12-26 at the break, they would take a cap deal from us. Plus, of course, a bunch of young talents and picks.


Wow....looks like another Knick fan actually gets it.

You won't get treasure for trash......unless you're the Miami Heat...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  11:13 AM
why does everyone think that Marbury and Garnett would magically get along again in New York. There's some real hatred there.
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8/3/2005  11:19 AM
Generally its three starters for a superstar.

We can't do this yet. Sweets, Frye, Nate all must prove to be starter quality. IM not saying those three, but we need to provide them things according to their PLAN.

Example, Riles in Miami ate it for two seasons until contracts he had left. In that time he drafted Butler and wade, and had cap to get odom. That was the blueprint to get shaq when he fell out of the sky. Flexibity! NOw what does Minny want? Youth? Flex? Under cap?

Small markets get eaten up by Garnett type deals.
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8/3/2005  11:21 AM
Minnesota isn't LA. Lakers could NEVER take back just cap space for Shaq. Talk about a PR nightmare.

Minny is a small market team with far less money to spend. While the fans adore KG, it's far easier to legitimetely rebuild there than in NY or LA.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  11:29 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

You guys just don't get it.

A.) I'm not insulting anyone. If you say something "uninspired", I'm calling you on it, just like you would with me. I always gladly admit fault, so why don't you try some humility.

B.) You're not taking into account why and for who MINNESOTA would trade KG. I'll tell you for what. Cap space, young talent, and picks. Why swap players and not shed cap space, when you can just hold onto the best player in the NBA? Any trade involving KG would involve Wally and probably Hudson. If you're Mchale, you don't trade KG for anything less than 100 % CAP OBLITERATION. No Crawfords. No Marburys.

Tell me something what is the difference between your statement and this
4 real Bobbitt you are a clown! why wouldn't they take back a young combo guard like Jamal Crawford and Mo Taylor, along with other expiring contracts (ie T.Thomas) plus 2 1st rd draft picks and Mike Sweetney. You are buggin if you think they don't at least consider it!

Do you realize that Mo Taylor is a player w/ an expiring contract? The Wolves need a 2 guard, and that we are in agreement that Minny would want cap room, so they would try to pawn off another high salary player in any trade involving KG plus draft picks? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING that is so different from my proposed trade?...

For real stop trying to prove others wrong, and prove the validity of your own statements. If you took the time to read, you'd see that I'd taken that into account, and we are listing the same thought process.

FYI. Your trade doesn't work
the package would have to be Penny, Timmy, Ariza, Frye, and 2 1sts for KG and Wally + filler (if necess.)
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8/3/2005  11:30 AM
Posted by toodarkmark:

Do the Knicks have a better package than other teams? Lakers could offer Odom, Bynum and Brown and a 1st. Chicago could offer Henrich, Chandler and Deng and a 1st. Two major cities, two places Garnet would rather be than NYC, and have better packages. Peace.
How in the hell do you know where Garnett would rather be?

You pessimists kill me.

We could put together a package as good or better, as far as young players and picks.
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8/3/2005  11:31 AM
this might be one of my last posts... you never know. so enshrine this one buddy.


mo taylor has 2 years left at around 18 million.

that's not an expiring contract where i come from...


i also know in the back of my head most player contracts via RealGM.

Penny (49), Timmy (43), Frye (?), Ariza (?) and draft picks

for

KG (>50), Wally (30)


That trade works.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  1:40 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by toodarkmark:

Do the Knicks have a better package than other teams? Lakers could offer Odom, Bynum and Brown and a 1st. Chicago could offer Henrich, Chandler and Deng and a 1st. Two major cities, two places Garnet would rather be than NYC, and have better packages. Peace.
How in the hell do you know where Garnett would rather be?

You pessimists kill me.

We could put together a package as good or better, as far as young players and picks.
im curious as to how we could put a better package together than hinrich, deng, chandler, and a first. Minny would getting players that have the potential in 3 years to EACH be top 5 in their respective positions. i don’t know if the bulls do it and how theyd make salary work out but we can’t really offer a deal even close to that.
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8/3/2005  8:55 PM
And your delusional optimism kills me. Garnett played high school ball in Chicago and they could offer a much better package than we can. The Lakers are far closer to the NBA championship and could offer a better package than we can.

And finally KG and Stephon had a messy breakup and have talked bad about each other since Stephon was traded.

Why on Earth would you even remotely believe we have better young players than the Lakers or Chicago. Frye is not Kwame Brown nor Tyson Chandler. Mike Sweetney is not a Henrich or a Lamar Odom. Ariza is not a L Deng or a A Bynum prospect. Sorry that in your inflated mind you think we have better packages and a better situation than these other cities, but in reality we dont.

Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by toodarkmark:

Do the Knicks have a better package than other teams? Lakers could offer Odom, Bynum and Brown and a 1st. Chicago could offer Henrich, Chandler and Deng and a 1st. Two major cities, two places Garnet would rather be than NYC, and have better packages. Peace.
How in the hell do you know where Garnett would rather be?

You pessimists kill me.

We could put together a package as good or better, as far as young players and picks.
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8/3/2005  9:10 PM
Posted by toodarkmark:

And your delusional optimism kills me. Garnett played high school ball in Chicago and they could offer a much better package than we can. The Lakers are far closer to the NBA championship and could offer a better package than we can.

And finally KG and Stephon had a messy breakup and have talked bad about each other since Stephon was traded.

Why on Earth would you even remotely believe we have better young players than the Lakers or Chicago. Frye is not Kwame Brown nor Tyson Chandler. Mike Sweetney is not a Henrich or a Lamar Odom. Ariza is not a L Deng or a A Bynum prospect. Sorry that in your inflated mind you think we have better packages and a better situation than these other cities, but in reality we dont.
Inflated mind? What is this turning into a 3rd grade playground? Whats an inflated mind?

Anyway, it is not simply measuring who's younger players are better, but also who has more draft picks, expiring contracts and a team's ability to take back bad contracts. When you factor those things into the equation, LA, Chi, cannot come close to offering a better package, period.
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8/3/2005  9:13 PM
Not me!! Dude is gonna be 29 or 30 and starting to developed a knee problem.. He doesn't even performed well in the clutch during big games..

No Thanks to the small ticket!!
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8/3/2005  9:16 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Not me!! Dude is gonna be 29 or 30 and starting to developed a knee problem.. He doesn't even performed well in the clutch during big games..

No Thanks to the small ticket!!


Same could be said for Marbury....
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  9:18 PM
By Inflated mind I meant more so of our talent, rather than your ego or anything like that. Not meant as a diss. We owe a draft pick to Phoenix still from the Marbury trade. Where are these picks going to come from?

A Davis is expiring at 14 mil for Chicago. Add in Henrich, Chandler, and Deng along with a future 1st, and there is a trade they would do. For Garnett and Wally. Adds up financially. Throw in an expiring Piatkowski too.

LA has Odom, but with Divac and D George they have enough expiring contracts to give up. Plus Bynum, Brown and picks?

I just dont see a package better than what theyre offering. L Odom is better than any player mentioned other than Garnett. Chandler, Deng and Chandler blow away anything we have to offer.

Would you trade Frye, Sweetney and J Crawford for Henrich, Deng and Chandler? I sure would. In a second.


Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by toodarkmark:

And your delusional optimism kills me. Garnett played high school ball in Chicago and they could offer a much better package than we can. The Lakers are far closer to the NBA championship and could offer a better package than we can.

And finally KG and Stephon had a messy breakup and have talked bad about each other since Stephon was traded.

Why on Earth would you even remotely believe we have better young players than the Lakers or Chicago. Frye is not Kwame Brown nor Tyson Chandler. Mike Sweetney is not a Henrich or a Lamar Odom. Ariza is not a L Deng or a A Bynum prospect. Sorry that in your inflated mind you think we have better packages and a better situation than these other cities, but in reality we dont.
Inflated mind? What is this turning into a 3rd grade playground? Whats an inflated mind?

Anyway, it is not simply measuring who's younger players are better, but also who has more draft picks, expiring contracts and a team's ability to take back bad contracts. When you factor those things into the equation, LA, Chi, cannot come close to offering a better package, period.
I don't care what people think. People are stupid. - Charles Barkley
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8/4/2005  12:58 AM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

Not me!! Dude is gonna be 29 or 30 and starting to developed a knee problem.. He doesn't even performed well in the clutch during big games..

No Thanks to the small ticket!!


Same could be said for Marbury....

different type of game and ballplayer.. MArbury is a 6 '2 guard, Garnett is nearly 7'0 playing in the frontcourt... Game is more physical upfront and ya banging with the big boys..

Garnett's got no rings and really cannot perform in the clutch.
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