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nyballer
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8/2/2005  3:29 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
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how about shandon anderson? we save 16 million approximately and lose NOTHINg

would rather open up a roster spot, and cut some more dead weight from the team, i.e. mo, penny, or houston.

cut bruno if you wanna open up a roster spot. if houston is somwhat healthy he is valuable, probably more valuable than anyone we could pick up. plus theres the NBDL. theres a bunch of players we could and should cut before allan houston.

bruno doesn't have a roster spot. neither does jackie butler if we sign jerome james. we need to get someone out of our calculations, i'd rather have it be houston, penny or mo than a 19 year old center.
much rather penny, but i think jackie butler might be the most overrated player on this board
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8/2/2005  3:47 PM
much rather penny, but i think jackie butler might be the most overrated player on this board

That is the truth. He is barely good enough to rated at all!

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8/2/2005  3:51 PM
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[quote]It's key for Isiah Thomas that Frye plays well. If frye is any type of bust, imho, so is Isiah.

For this front line to be any good Channing will have to do more than play well. He'll have to be good enough to anchor an NBA front line.

Sweetney weighs as much as an anchor, but that is not enough.

oohah

Im not gung ho about this year in terms of wins and L's. We have the ability to pull of a Seattle type run--the Knicks did it under Pitino, but more importantly I worry about the future, this is why I was big on picking Bynum, because I felt he represented the best avenue on a 2-3 year team timeframe. But I have some confidence in Channing and what I want to see is very good play from him, Im not asking for any # of wins, wins to me are irrelevant--what I need to see is some kind of foundation we can build off--thats whats important to me. I think the most important part of next season is Channing Frye--my expectations are 14-15+7. If I dont see something close to this, if i dont signs where I can see where he can fit in at some point as OUR PF for a LONG time, in a big way, I will be disappointed. If Channing Frye is a bust, I would like to see someone else making our draft picks and player decisions.
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8/2/2005  3:52 PM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by Masterplan:
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how about shandon anderson? we save 16 million approximately and lose NOTHINg

would rather open up a roster spot, and cut some more dead weight from the team, i.e. mo, penny, or houston.

cut bruno if you wanna open up a roster spot. if houston is somwhat healthy he is valuable, probably more valuable than anyone we could pick up. plus theres the NBDL. theres a bunch of players we could and should cut before allan houston.

bruno doesn't have a roster spot. neither does jackie butler if we sign jerome james. we need to get someone out of our calculations, i'd rather have it be houston, penny or mo than a 19 year old center.
much rather penny, but i think jackie butler might be the most overrated player on this board

we really dont need jackie butler
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8/2/2005  3:54 PM
my expectations are 14-15+7

If Frye gets those numbers he gets my approval.

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8/2/2005  3:55 PM
what if Frye has a rookie year like Kaman, will you think he's a bust? Some guys take a little time. year 1 and year 2 can be a pretty big gap for players, even 4 year CBB guys.

Hell, if he can stay healthy I can see Kaman being a perenial 15/10/2blocks guy with 55% FGs and thats pretty damn good. God forbid he doesnt do it until year 3 or 4 (making him 24-25).

If you want to use the draft you have to be a little patient.
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8/2/2005  3:59 PM
Posted by fishmike:

what if Frye has a rookie year like Kaman, will you think he's a bust? Some guys take a little time. year 1 and year 2 can be a pretty big gap for players, even 4 year CBB guys.

Hell, if he can stay healthy I can see Kaman being a perenial 15/10/2blocks guy with 55% FGs and thats pretty damn good. God forbid he doesnt do it until year 3 or 4 (making him 24-25).

If you want to use the draft you have to be a little patient.

as long as i see development, i'll be cool with frye.

if he's 14/7 BY YEAR THREE, then i think we're cool. 14/7 NEXT SEASON!?!? hell man, amare didn't average that.
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8/2/2005  4:01 PM
Posted by fishmike:

what if Frye has a rookie year like Kaman, will you think he's a bust? Some guys take a little time. year 1 and year 2 can be a pretty big gap for players, even 4 year CBB guys.

Hell, if he can stay healthy I can see Kaman being a perenial 15/10/2blocks guy with 55% FGs and thats pretty damn good. God forbid he doesnt do it until year 3 or 4 (making him 24-25).

If you want to use the draft you have to be a little patient.

I think chris kaman was 20 years old when he came into the league. i expect 14-7 from channing frye--hes a 4 year CBB from arz, hes fully devloped in body--i expect reasonable output from him with 30+ minutes 14+7 53%
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8/2/2005  4:03 PM
^ Ya....not under Brown buddy.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/2/2005  4:07 PM
One was a 3-year CBB player and Frye was a 4-year. BFD
20 or 22... one guy is old for his grade, another is young. Again, it doesnt matter. Some guys take time, others dont. Some that take time become great or very good players.

Kaman was 22 last year (frye's age) had a year of NBA exp and was still around 9/6 if I'm not mistaken. Has he peeked? Cmon.

Maybe Frye does, but maybe he learns that playing D in the NBA is a little different than the pac 10. Like DJ said you just look for improvement. So long as he's adjust and getting better fine.

Like I said, you have to be patient. If you arent your selling him and yourself short
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8/2/2005  4:08 PM
what if Frye has a rookie year like Kaman, will you think he's a bust? Some guys take a little time. year 1 and year 2 can be a pretty big gap for players, even 4 year CBB guys.

Fishing for an argument fishmike? Because I didn't say anything like that. What I did say, is if he gets the 14-15 and 7, he gets my approval.

By the way if you check Kaman out he had decent numbers as a rookie. He also played in the rookie team game. I also remember him giving the Knicks problems.
Hell, if he can stay healthy I can see Kaman being a perenial 15/10/2blocks guy with 55% FGs and thats pretty damn good. God forbid he doesnt do it until year 3 or 4 (making him 24-25).

Okay, I think he might be that good as well. How did we start on Chris Kaman?
If you want to use the draft you have to be a little patient.

Well put.
if he's 14/7 BY YEAR THREE, then i think we're cool. 14/7 NEXT SEASON!?!? hell man, amare didn't average that.

He was pretty close: 13.8 and 8.8.

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8/2/2005  4:09 PM
Im not comparing Channing Frye to 18+19 year olds out of HS, he has had 4 years of major league CBB and is body is fully developed. Id like Channing to be at 18+8 in yr 3 or very close to it and stay there--14+7 in 33-35 minutes is my goal for him. We were a 30 win team last year-he BETTER get 32-34 minutes.

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8/2/2005  4:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Im not comparing Channing Frye to 18+19 year olds out of HS, he has had 4 years of major league CBB and is body is fully developed. Id like Channing to be at 18+8 in yr 3 or very close to it and stay there--14+7 in 33-35 minutes is my goal for him. We were a 30 win team last year-he BETTER get 32-34 minutes.

briggs, if you knew then, what you knew now, would you draft pryzbilla at #8?
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8/2/2005  4:22 PM
I brought up Kaman because he's a bigman, he was a fairly high pick and he had 3 years of CBB. He's also been banged up a little and has showed some great flashes but overall is off to a slow start.

I think the comparison is fair. I think Kaman will be a very good pro, and I projected good production from him in the future.
6/6/1
9/7/1
Those are Kaman's first two years. He was a JR and ONE YEAR YOUNGER than Frye.

14 and 7 would make Channing one of the best centers in the East. Lets let this kid learn how to play the in the NBA before he's labeled a mistake or a bust.
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8/2/2005  4:24 PM
one more thing - rasheed wallace rookie year:

65 games
27.5 mins
10.1 pts
4.6 rebs
0.8 blocks
48% from the field

if frye does something similar this season, then we should all be jumping for joy.

briggs, you're putting WAY TOO MUCH on this guy being a 4 year player when YOU KNOW big guys take a while to adjust. he's not bynum but you already put expecations on him that YOU KNOW are tough to meet.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 08/02/2005 16:25:43]
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8/2/2005  4:25 PM
Joel Przybilla.. good one. He's 25, has played 5 years and is just now scratching the surface.
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8/2/2005  4:25 PM
Posted by fishmike:


14 and 7 would make Channing one of the best centers in the East.


A.) He's a rookie. KG didn't put up numbers like that in his rookie season. Soooooo.....reality check.

B.) He's not a Center. And even if he was putting up 14 and 7, he wouldn't even be Top 5 Centers in the East, let alone Top 10 PF's...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/2/2005  4:28 PM
list 5 better centers in the East putting up more than 14/7

FYI: read what I wrote, my point was that was an unrealistic expectation. The point was if he *DID* average that he would be a top center
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8/2/2005  4:29 PM
Posted by fishmike:

list 5 better centers in the East putting up more than 14/7

FYI: read what I wrote, my point was that was an unrealistic expectation. The point was if he *DID* average that he would be a top center

fish, he just made that post a little after 4:20 - cut him some slack...
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8/2/2005  4:31 PM
Posted by fishmike:

list 5 better centers in the East putting up more than 14/7

FYI: read what I wrote, my point was that was an unrealistic expectation. The point was if he *DID* average that he would be a top center

Magloire
Big Ben
Shaq
Ilgauskus
Curry

Also:

Dalembert
Krystic
Haywood
Bogut

would be close.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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