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TheSage
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8/1/2005  6:52 AM
Its fascinating to see rantings that May>Sweetney. Sweets has shown he can be an impact player in this league. Whether he can improve and show consistency will be determined under LB. Clearly OK should be at the top followed by Sweets. For those who rank May (19)higher than Frye (8)I would say you are wrong and offer the evidence of the draft rankings. Ely is a nice young man who has never shown that he can be an impact player or special offensive or defensive gifts. Taylor may not know what the words defense or rebounding means but has shown he can score. Rose is a winner. OK, Frye Sweetney, Brezec, Rose, May, James, Taylor, Lee, Ely, JYD
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8/1/2005  8:23 AM
Charlotte. And one reason, Omeka.

Sean may has yet to play a lick in the NBA. Neither has frye!

He had really good teamates in college.

He is good kid, and I hope he does well. but Really now!
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8/1/2005  10:10 AM
May is a fat undersized slow PF, if anybody is going to be a bust in this draft its May.

Not only that, he clearly was not the best player on his team. Thats why he bolted when everybody left. He knew with nobody there to make him look good he'd stink it up next year and drop to the bottom of the 1st round.

If he was good, like some say he is, he should have stayed, became the man on that team and eleveated his draft status. But he is not, so he left.
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8/1/2005  10:16 AM
Posted by simrud:

May is a fat undersized slow PF, if anybody is going to be a bust in this draft its May.

Not only that, he clearly was not the best player on his team. Thats why he bolted when everybody left. He knew with nobody there to make him look good he'd stink it up next year and drop to the bottom of the 1st round.

If he was good, like some say he is, he should have stayed, became the man on that team and eleveated his draft status. But he is not, so he left.

I would not say he is a bust, but I agree with who was the man on that team. It was not May. He benefited form being left alone as they could not afford to double him up. The run and gun game of the Heels and mays ability to run the court gave him some nice easy looks.

Don't get me wrong, at 6-8 he can do some damage in ncaa division 1, but in the pros, I don't think he can translatea as well. I believe sweets can have more game.

Sean will profit from being with Emeka! Nice tamdem.
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8/1/2005  12:01 PM
I can't believe anyone would have the gall to say the knicks frontline is better than the Bobcats frontline.

man, i swear sometimes.

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8/1/2005  12:02 PM
it isn't a knock on the knicks. it is what it is

if you ask who has the better backcourt then do i say the bobcats---NO. i say the New York backcourt in a BLOWOUT

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8/1/2005  12:03 PM
Oh yeah Briggs,

my first day here i created the exact same thread. at least you could have acknowledged me in the credits
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8/1/2005  12:14 PM
It all depends on the development of Frye, Sweetney and Lee. But it would be insane to say that Ely and May are ahead of those kids, they haven't proven a THING.

And, honestly, I bet if you took a poll around the league and asked GMs if they would prefer to have Jerome James or P. Brezec starting at center, I bet the majority would pick Jerome James.

So, really, it comes down to the fact that the Bobs have Emeka and we don't.

If you're talking about the entire frontcourt though, the Knicks clearly have the advantage. And no one has even mentioned the small forwards, where we blow Charlotte out of the water. Ariza and Tim are both better than anything the Bobs have at SF.
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8/1/2005  12:14 PM
Funny thing is that with the exception of Emeka, Mo Taylor is the most prolific scorer out of the bunch of them. If we are talking about scoring. Sweetney is a close second. The only thing is that Frye is the most versatile player in the mix and could have a bigger impact in the future. Ely? I glad he stuck in the league but ... May I think will be a small poor man version of Boozer but will have alot of trouble against shotblockers.
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8/1/2005  12:17 PM
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Posted by simrud:

May is a fat undersized slow PF, if anybody is going to be a bust in this draft its May.

Not only that, he clearly was not the best player on his team. Thats why he bolted when everybody left. He knew with nobody there to make him look good he'd stink it up next year and drop to the bottom of the 1st round.


Well, in the pre-draft combines, he was at the top of the list in athletic ability, well-above Frye.

Sean May was the clear best player on NC. He was a rebounding machine who was unstoppable inside. Without Sean, that team couldve gone out at anytime. With Sean may they won it all. You dont average 23.5 points and 21 rebounds in two games against Duke if you are not very good. Channing Frye was lucky that Illinois came back on them because Sean May wouldve exposed him.
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8/1/2005  12:23 PM
would Sweetney have done anything less surrounded by Williams, Williams, McCants and Felton? Was MAy double teamed every time down the floor?
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8/1/2005  12:25 PM
Posted by fishmike:

would Sweetney have done anything less surrounded by Williams, Williams, McCants and Felton? Was MAy double teamed every time down the floor?

who knows but Sweetney has been passive at times in the pros. May is pretty relentless. Either way Sweetney is our best bigman and they have ok4, may, brezec and ely
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8/1/2005  12:27 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


Well, in the pre-draft combines, he was at the top of the list in athletic ability, well-above Frye.

Sean May was the clear best player on NC. He was a rebounding machine who was unstoppable inside. Without Sean, that team couldve gone out at anytime. With Sean may they won it all. You dont average 23.5 points and 21 rebounds in two games against Duke if you are not very good. Channing Frye was lucky that Illinois came back on them because Sean May wouldve exposed him.

Felton was clearly the best player. May played the kind of basketball that doesn't translate. He's Sweetney 2. He might be decent in the league, but he won't be dominant. Frye has the size and athleticism to effectively adapt his game.

What combine did May finish at the top of? I missed that one.
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8/1/2005  12:29 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by fishmike:

would Sweetney have done anything less surrounded by Williams, Williams, McCants and Felton? Was MAy double teamed every time down the floor?

who knows but Sweetney has been passive at times in the pros. May is pretty relentless. Either way Sweetney is our best bigman and they have ok4, may, brezec and ely

Ely is a joke. what's the difference between Butler and Ely? Not much.

As for Brezec, seriously, I bet two thirds of the league would take Jerome James over him. He's not a difference maker, he put up mediocre stats because he got run on the worst team in the league (outside of the Hawks). JJ didn't put up the stats because he wasn't featured in the Sonics regular season offense.
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8/1/2005  12:30 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Well, in the pre-draft combines, he was at the top of the list in athletic ability, well-above Frye.

Sean May was the clear best player on NC. He was a rebounding machine who was unstoppable inside. Without Sean, that team couldve gone out at anytime. With Sean may they won it all. You dont average 23.5 points and 21 rebounds in two games against Duke if you are not very good. Channing Frye was lucky that Illinois came back on them because Sean May wouldve exposed him.

Felton was clearly the best player. May played the kind of basketball that doesn't translate. He's Sweetney 2. He might be decent in the league, but he won't be dominant. Frye has the size and athleticism to effectively adapt his game.

What combine did May finish at the top of? I missed that one.
I was going to say something like that. From what I remember he only did well in bench pressing part. His vertical, lane running was horrible.
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8/1/2005  12:35 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by fishmike:

would Sweetney have done anything less surrounded by Williams, Williams, McCants and Felton? Was MAy double teamed every time down the floor?

who knows but Sweetney has been passive at times in the pros. May is pretty relentless. Either way Sweetney is our best bigman and they have ok4, may, brezec and ely

Ely is a joke. what's the difference between Butler and Ely? Not much.

As for Brezec, seriously, I bet two thirds of the league would take Jerome James over him. He's not a difference maker, he put up mediocre stats because he got run on the worst team in the league (outside of the Hawks). JJ didn't put up the stats because he wasn't featured in the Sonics regular season offense.

a joke huh? call me when Butler puts up these kind of numbers
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/melvin_ely/game_by_game_stats.html

call me when in 1 week he puts up:
20 & 17
22 & 9
16 & 11
16 & 8

Ok4 is clearly better than our entire frontline combined and May could be better than Sweetney who is our best frontcourt player
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8/1/2005  12:41 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Charlotte. its not even close. Ely is a beast and ok4 is light years better than our entire frontline combined

Ely is a good complimentary post player, surely a nice luxury, but certainly no beast. But I do agree, Emeka by himself is worth more than our whole frontline combined. That doesnt mean that in totality, Charlotte is better, but I would bet that most GMs would trade EVERYONE on the Knicks frontline for Okafor. The Knicks have some brutes and Sweetney has a chance to nring it to the next level, and we have the offensive skills of Frye, but would i be stretching it to say that Sean May[albeit not proven, although thats just a formality] Brezec and Okafor might be ranked 1-2-3 if you combined the teams?
I as thinking who I would give up May for and I couldnt even say Sweetney, and then can I give up brezec for any Knick--I dont know if I would. He's 7-1 255 and he really just started to come into his own. How could you trade that?

Charlotte's is certainly better right now. Okafor is the best player of the group by a mile. Even with the additions of Frye and James, we still have one of the worst frontcourts in the league. Of the 5 you mentioned on each side, here's my rankings:

1) Emeka Okafor
2) Mike Sweetney
3) Sean May
4) Primoz Brezec
5) Channing Frye
6) Jerome James
7) Jake Voshkul
8) Malik Rose
9) Melvin Ely
10) Mo Taylor

If you did a point tally (reverse order - 10 pts for #1, 1 pt for #10), you get:

Charlotte = 31 pts.
New York = 24 pts.

Those numbers don't really do it justice though, since Okafor is so far and away better than those other guys.
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8/1/2005  12:46 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Well, in the pre-draft combines, he was at the top of the list in athletic ability, well-above Frye.

Sean May was the clear best player on NC. He was a rebounding machine who was unstoppable inside. Without Sean, that team couldve gone out at anytime. With Sean may they won it all. You dont average 23.5 points and 21 rebounds in two games against Duke if you are not very good. Channing Frye was lucky that Illinois came back on them because Sean May wouldve exposed him.

Felton was clearly the best player. May played the kind of basketball that doesn't translate. He's Sweetney 2. He might be decent in the league, but he won't be dominant. Frye has the size and athleticism to effectively adapt his game.

What combine did May finish at the top of? I missed that one.
I was going to say something like that. From what I remember he only did well in bench pressing part. His vertical, lane running was horrible.

well, you domt remember to well because May beat Frye in every athletic category. this will be the difference between a Sweetney who is still and can be a good ball player and may, who is athletically superior with a similar game

Chicago Predraft Combine Results
Name Bench press Vertical jump Lane Agility ¾-court sprint Overall rank
Joey Graham 26 36" 10.62 3.05 1
Rashad McCants 15 34½ in 10.39 3.11 3
Luther Head 14 38½" 11.12 3.21 7
Deron Williams 15 35" 10.83 3.25 10
David Lee 14 32½" 10.80 3.19 11
Marvin Williams 12 35" 11.11 3.17 15
Chris Paul 10 38½" 11.09 3.22 16
Raymond Felton 6 33½" 10.50 3.06 18
Ronny Turiaf 15 33" 11.50 3.23 21
Gerald Green 7 39" 11.2 3.21 24
Chris Taft 14 33" 11.26 3.27 25
Julius Hodge 14 29" 10.89 3.18 26
Sean May 12 33" 11.04 3.29 27
Danny Granger 10 34" 10.84 3.34 31
Channing Frye 19 31" 11.60 3.38 33
Dwayne Jones 15 31½" 11.87 3.25 38
Ike Diogu 21 31" 11.94 3.45 39
Charlie Villanueva 11 31" 10.86 3.3 42
Wayne Simien 11 27½" 11.05 3.35 49
Francisco Garcia 5 31½" 10.63 3.33 51
Jarrett Jack 5 28½" 10.87 3.24 54
Antoine Wright 12 29½" 11.45 3.41 55
Rudy Fernandez 0 35½" 10.48 3.33 56
Martell Webster 7 30½" 11.39 3.39 59
Andrew Bogut 13 33½" 12.06 3½1 60
Hakim Warrick 11 38" N/A 3.22 61
Monta Ellis 0 31½" 12.13 3.31 70
Martynas Andriuskevicius 0 27½" 11.94 3.42 73
Ersan Ilyasova 2 30" 11.59 3½6 74

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8/1/2005  12:47 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:


a joke huh? call me when Butler puts up these kind of numbers
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/melvin_ely/game_by_game_stats.html

call me when in 1 week he puts up:
20 & 17
22 & 9
16 & 11
16 & 8

Ok4 is clearly better than our entire frontline combined and May could be better than Sweetney who is our best frontcourt player


see, this is way this entire thread is ridiculous. You're basing it on your appraisal of Charlotte's potential. Ely hasn't done anything. May hasn't played a minute. I'm basing it on the Knicks potential. Sweets hasn't done much. Lee and Frye haven't played a minute. It's an argument about potential.

Okafor is the only guy who's starters minutes and is clearly the best. duh.
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8/1/2005  12:50 PM
IMO both teams will make significant changes by the time training camp rolls around. The comparison should be made then.
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