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EnySpree
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7/30/2005  10:01 PM
rvRoss: I mean, why thin out our back court?

We gotta look at TT as just a expiring contract......simple and plain. Maybe with TT the Knicks can gain a dominant power fwd at the deadline.

Al and Ariza would be a nice one two punch on this Knicks team.

To me it's just easier to find a guy to be a back-up to Q. The Knicks could trade a power fwd, or get one with the mid-level if Jerome James is signed and traded....someone might even take the low-level exemption.
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7/30/2005  10:16 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by crzymdups:

In what WORLD is Jamal Crawford considered a purer point guard than Deron Williams (UTA) or Bassie Telfair (POR). LOL.

Crawford is a SG who can dribble drive and penetrate. He needs to put on some weight, and he CAN play the point, but there's no way most of those teams would trade for him.

Also, I'm so tired of this line:
"We're rebuilding". Funny Isiah, I never knew you could rebuild with the highest payroll in basketball. I guess you really do learn something new everyday.

it's dime a dozen WFAN crap. Anyone who takes a good look at the Knicks roster is going to realize that the Knicks were capped out beyond belief until Allan's deal ended anyway. Most of the salary on the roster goes to Houston, Penny, Tim Thomas - all three will be gone by season's end.

Crawford is not a SG. A SG doesn't shoot 39% A shooting guard makes his shots from everywhere and anywhere on the court. Crawford has no midrange game, he doesn't post up, is too skinny to take it to the hole but he shoots 39% mostly from 3 and he can penetrate and dish and push the ball and he was a PG his entire career in Chicago, albeit one that needs a lot of work but at 25 his game is only now coming together just like Larry Hughes did.

so, in 03-04, Craw was the PG and Capt. Kirk was playing what, exactly?

Larry Hughes is a SG too.
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7/30/2005  10:49 PM
Craw shot .398 % last season, which is 40% and isn't bad. This 39 thing is really really overstated.

Now a guy isn't a 2 because his FG% is low. I guess Iverson isn't a 2 either. I guess Atnoine Walker is a PF, and I uess Steph isn't a pg because his fg% is too high.
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7/30/2005  11:39 PM
The Problem with craw is that although he is talented he is not a 2 or a 1 or a very good basketball player. No defense against 2's or 1's. No judgement - very inconsistent.

We all hope he's going to improve - but that don't mean it's going to happen. And I think without improving his game is worthless the negatives outweight the positives. If we could trade him for Al Harrington - I would do it in a second. (though I doubt Atlanta would).
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7/31/2005  12:02 AM
Why can't Craw just come of the bench for 25 mints a night and be an offensive spark?

I mean for the right deal, sure trade him, but 90% of these proposals are pure crap for the Knicks.

I see nothing wrong with having Marbs, Q and Craw along with Nate share the 1-2 minutes, with Q gettin significant time at the 3 to make more time for Nate in various 3 guard sets.

Moving TT for a lesser 3 who won't deman more then 24 mints a night and have that spot be backed up by Ariza and Q for major minutes seems ideal if we can get some picks in the deal. Too bad TT is such dogpoo.
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7/31/2005  12:13 AM
bob is a nets fan in disguise

he's here to torment us and remind us..yes our roster has some flaws but crawford isnt one of them....crawford is mightily talented and could break out

also, DONT EVER...compare Larry Brown to Scott Skiles....they may e defense 1st coaches..but larrys track record speaks for itself while skiles most successful year was last year with the baby bulls..once again someone being overated by one year where they do well..its funny how ppl in chicago were calling for his job prior to the season...

The bulls do remind me of us...a nice youthful group with some veteran mix...and bob all ur trade proposals are total feces...please rescind them and wait for the season to come and see how crawford plays before jumping to conclusions that he wont be able to handle larry.

Larry is a teacher...Skiles is a coach..the difference...larry pinpoints a players weakness and lets the player know..skiles isnt a teacher..he was lucky to still have a job after all these years of mediocrity.

I'll say it here 1st...if crawford can hone his skills he can be in the upper tier of guards....thats means better shot selection and more defense...however its all up to how he buys into larrys system..
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7/31/2005  12:39 AM
For the final time, I'm not questioning Crawford's talent. He's VERY talented. But the problem really is his coachibility, b/c when you look at his progress as a player, there just isn't much there.

Under Larry Brown, Crawford may sink or swim, but it comes down to Crawford's strengths as a player, and those are his creativity as a PG, not a 2.

Larry will not stand for players that are me-first, meaning guards like Marbury and Craw that like to use up half the shotclock going one-on-one. This isn't a rip on either player personally, but to say that Crawford could just come off the bench for 25 MPG and do his thing is really understating the situation. Larry likes no-nonsense, defensively-able, coachable players. Marbury would be on his way out, but this is Larry's challenge - to prove that Marbury can be a winner. Marbury is one of the best PG's in the league - there's no denying that. And that's why he's staying put (also b/c he's untradeable b/c of his contract). Crawford is also overpayed, but he doesn't make as much of an impact as Steph does, and quite frankly, you have to pick your poison b/w Marbury and Crawford, but you can't keep both and hope that your backcourt just magically becomes defensively solid. It's just not happening. Larry will force you to become a better version of yourself or you're gone.

Let's face it. Crawford is not the type that can really fit in to a structure, strict, no-nonsense system. I got a feeling that if he's kept, he'll end up getting benched more often then he plays, and for 8.5 Million dollars per year, that's just not worth it.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/31/2005  12:50 AM
Btw, this quote from OldFan captures some of my sentiments about Crawford and how he fits in with this team come next season:

"Everybody keeps saying Craw is coachable and from what I've read he does seem to have a good attitude. But on the other hand I just don't think he knows how to play the game and for all his "coachability" - I don't think he's improving very quickly.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/31/2005  1:13 AM

Crawford and Sweets for Manny Ramirez!

Real GM approval number: 6846

Manny is a pure shooter, bad Defense, but can put up numbers!

Manny sg
Marbs pg
James c
Rose PF
TT sf!
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7/31/2005  1:14 AM
^ atleast you infused some humor in this ridiculously intense thread.


although as a Sox fan I have to turn it down...we're just not getting enough.



[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/31/2005 01:15:39]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/31/2005  8:02 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by gunsnewing:

crawford and Sweetney + rose, JYD or Taylor take yoyr pick! FOR Odom

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 19:54:36]

oDOM'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

why not
Because Phil JAckson already admitted he loves Odom's game and that he would fit perfectly under the triangle offense. That's Why!!!

The Future. GO KNICKS!
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7/31/2005  10:02 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ atleast you infused some humor in this ridiculously intense thread.


although as a Sox fan I have to turn it down...we're just not getting enough.



[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/31/2005 01:15:39]

But I THREW in Sweets! Isn't that how this works? Throw in a player the poster really could live without to make it doable?
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7/31/2005  10:54 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ atleast you infused some humor in this ridiculously intense thread.


although as a Sox fan I have to turn it down...we're just not getting enough.



[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/31/2005 01:15:39]

a sox fan! i forgot to include that in my list of basic human traits. ALL sox fans argue like you. whew those fenway franks must have some strong nitrates
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7/31/2005  12:28 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by gunsnewing:

crawford and Sweetney + rose, JYD or Taylor take yoyr pick! FOR Odom

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 19:54:36]

oDOM'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

why not
Because Phil JAckson already admitted he loves Odom's game and that he would fit perfectly under the triangle offense. That's Why!!!

I was being sarcastic!
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7/31/2005  12:44 PM
Posted by Marv:


a sox fan! i forgot to include that in my list of basic human traits. ALL sox fans argue like you. whew those fenway franks must have some strong nitrates


You're just irritable b/c the Yanks ain't makin the postseason.


I'll send you a fruit basket come October...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/31/2005  12:57 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Marv:


a sox fan! i forgot to include that in my list of basic human traits. ALL sox fans argue like you. whew those fenway franks must have some strong nitrates


You're just irritable b/c the Yanks ain't makin the postseason.


I'll send you a fruit basket come October...

you're trying to send your fruit basket to the mets right now.
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7/31/2005  1:13 PM
Yanks ain't getting past the A's in the wild card buddy.



Just give it up already. Your defiance is childishly annoying.



Say it with me: SOX IS '06.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/31/2005  1:18 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Yanks ain't getting past the A's in the wild card buddy.



Just give it up already. Your defiance is childishly annoying.



Say it with me: SOX IS '06.

Just when have the A's EVER been able to beat the Yankees in the playoffs? Themselves and the Twins are NEVER EVER going to beat the Red Sox or Yankees in the playoffs. Get ready for Yanks/Sox ALCS again.
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7/31/2005  1:23 PM
oH, I really hope that's what it comes to. B/c if that's the case, I can't WAIT till Marinera Sauce Rivera crumbles under the weight of Big Pappy's bat...



You comin back for a whoopin so soon?



DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/31/2005  1:30 PM
The Angels are the team I'm worried about. The Red Sox without Pedro and an overweight 42yr old Wells with a back that will breakdown and possibly no Manny. They don't scare me as a Yankee fan
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