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crzymdups
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7/30/2005  8:46 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

"The Orlando Magic acquired forward Drew Gooden, guard Gordan Giricek and cash considerations from the Memphis Grizzlies in exchange for forward-guard Mike Miller, forward Ryan Humphrey, a first-round draft pick and a future second-round draft pick."


Gooden, Giricek, and $$$ for Mike Miller, Humphrey, and 2 picks.

Not sure Gooden really "reeled in" all that much man.

Looks like Gooden brought back more than Vince Carter did in a trade. Judging a player's value by looking at what he was traded for makes no sense - especially when in this case, the player brought back two draft picks and a starter on a playoff team.



I would love to acquire Gooden for Tim Thomas or even Craw. I think Gooden can be really good. He's a tough rebounder and a silky smooth scorer. He runs the break. If the Cavs are selling cheap, I say get him.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 07/30/2005 08:47:09]
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7/30/2005  8:50 AM
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Tyson Chandler, PF/C, Bulls
[/b]Chandler should have an offer by now. He's got the same upside as Samuel Dalembert, while being younger and 3 inches taller.[/b]
He doesn't have the same upside as Dalembert and he isn't 3 inches taller. Is Tyson Chandler 7-2 now or did I miss something? What an idiot.

Chandler is 7'2". Dalembert is 6'11". Sounds like 3 inches to me.

As for the rest of the comments: I think the Knicks are very interested in Drew Gooden - they offered Kurt for him last year. Craw for Gooden might make sense.

I don't think the Knicks would be interested in JWilliams or Watson - UNLESS it was part of a Marbury trade: Marbury for Gasol and Watson? That's a trade I would have to think about before saying no.
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7/30/2005  8:54 AM
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Gordan Giricek is probably about as good a player as Miller is.....that pretty much sums it up.

No he isn't, mike miller can play..

Ya....not so much lately. Giricek and a pick would get you Miller easy. You're overrating Mike bigtime.


Huh? What are you talking about. He's one of the best pure shooters in the league, a tough defender and the ultimate team player. Very, very solid player. If he was on this team, he would start.
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7/30/2005  9:16 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
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Tyson Chandler, PF/C, Bulls
Chandler should have an offer by now. He's got the same upside as Samuel Dalembert, while being younger and 3 inches taller.[/b]
He doesn't have the same upside as Dalembert and he isn't 3 inches taller. Is Tyson Chandler 7-2 now or did I miss something? What an idiot.
Earl Watson, PG, Grizzlies
Watson isn't a big name, but his numbers were pretty close to Jason Williams' in every category but the scoring department last season. He pushes the ball up the floor, plays great defense and plays a little bigger than he looks. He's ideally suited as a top-notch backup, but on a team like the Knicks, who will now be looking for a point guard who "plays the right" way, he could be a fit.[/b]
Yeah thats what we need, Earl Watson. Lets trade Nate and Craw for Earl Watson because he plays the 'right' way. What an idiot this guy is!
The word from a source inside the Grizzlies is that Williams has a number of suitors -- including the Celtics, Heat and Knicks. With Larry Brown taking over in New York, you can scratch the Knicks from the list.
Hes an idiot. I highly doubt Jason Williams was ever ever on our radar for even one second unless it was as a throw-in in a trade that would get us Gasol.
Jamal Crawford, G, Knicks
We know that with Brown running the show in New York things are going to have to change. Stephon Marbury is the obvious choice, but he won't be the first to go. Brown will try to move him to the two and prove to the world that he can make Marbury a winner. Crawford, he has very little use for. He's a skinny, no defense, jump-shooting guard with a selfish streak. Don't be surprised if he ends up in Cleveland or Portland.
Just plain dumb. Who in the hell would we want in Cleveland? Craw for Lebron? If he trades Craw and moves brown to the 2, Nate is gonna be our starting pg? Yeah.......Larry Brown is gonna start a rookie 30 mpg. Asshole.
Nene, PF, Nuggets
The Nuggets won't give Nene away. However, if they could land a top-flight two guard and a reliable backup center that could play heavy minutes whenever Marcus Camby goes down, they might be open to it. A trade for Desmond Mason, coupled with the signing of a free-agent center like Zaza Pachulia might do the trick.
What a freaking idiot. Nene for Desmond Mason AND Pachulia? COme one man, NeNe isn't even a starter on his team and Desmond Mason puts up 17 ppg. Not to mention that Pachulia and NeNe are very similar players except NeNE is slightly more advanced right now and Pachulia is 2 years younger. Who the hell does he think NeNe is, and how does he calculate his worth so high? ANd does Denver need another athletic non-jump shooter? (Although obviously they jump at that deal and leave the room before the ink dries on the contract.)


Chad Ford just go teach in Hawaii and take up surfing or something.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 07/30/2005 03:03:47]

Tyson is 3 inches taller.

Watson would be a better fit than Crawford. NO mention of trading nate.

Crawford for Eric Snow, who was his point in Philly. Makes sense short term, but I'd rather not see it. Cleveland is in win now mode, we are not. There is a 3-4 year plan here, and now is not the time to load it up.

Guys like Desmond are expendable, and guys like NENE get a premium. PUt him next to Bogut, and your set for years! Bucks drafted into Desmonds position anyway.

Im not saying Chad is on the money with everyting, but some makes sense, not to take verbatum, but just conceptual jibber to meet a deadline. In fact, I would say its quite less outlandish than most of the trade proposals made on these forums.

Most trades are a surprise and unpredictabele.
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7/30/2005  10:22 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:



Tyson Chandler, PF/C, Bulls
Chandler should have an offer by now. He's got the same upside as Samuel Dalembert, while being younger and 3 inches taller.[/b]
He doesn't have the same upside as Dalembert and he isn't 3 inches taller. Is Tyson Chandler 7-2 now or did I miss something? What an idiot.
Earl Watson, PG, Grizzlies
Watson isn't a big name, but his numbers were pretty close to Jason Williams' in every category but the scoring department last season. He pushes the ball up the floor, plays great defense and plays a little bigger than he looks. He's ideally suited as a top-notch backup, but on a team like the Knicks, who will now be looking for a point guard who "plays the right" way, he could be a fit.[/b]
Yeah thats what we need, Earl Watson. Lets trade Nate and Craw for Earl Watson because he plays the 'right' way. What an idiot this guy is!
The word from a source inside the Grizzlies is that Williams has a number of suitors -- including the Celtics, Heat and Knicks. With Larry Brown taking over in New York, you can scratch the Knicks from the list.
Hes an idiot. I highly doubt Jason Williams was ever ever on our radar for even one second unless it was as a throw-in in a trade that would get us Gasol.
Jamal Crawford, G, Knicks
We know that with Brown running the show in New York things are going to have to change. Stephon Marbury is the obvious choice, but he won't be the first to go. Brown will try to move him to the two and prove to the world that he can make Marbury a winner. Crawford, he has very little use for. He's a skinny, no defense, jump-shooting guard with a selfish streak. Don't be surprised if he ends up in Cleveland or Portland.
Just plain dumb. Who in the hell would we want in Cleveland? Craw for Lebron? If he trades Craw and moves brown to the 2, Nate is gonna be our starting pg? Yeah.......Larry Brown is gonna start a rookie 30 mpg. Asshole.
Nene, PF, Nuggets
The Nuggets won't give Nene away. However, if they could land a top-flight two guard and a reliable backup center that could play heavy minutes whenever Marcus Camby goes down, they might be open to it. A trade for Desmond Mason, coupled with the signing of a free-agent center like Zaza Pachulia might do the trick.
What a freaking idiot. Nene for Desmond Mason AND Pachulia? COme one man, NeNe isn't even a starter on his team and Desmond Mason puts up 17 ppg. Not to mention that Pachulia and NeNe are very similar players except NeNE is slightly more advanced right now and Pachulia is 2 years younger. Who the hell does he think NeNe is, and how does he calculate his worth so high? ANd does Denver need another athletic non-jump shooter? (Although obviously they jump at that deal and leave the room before the ink dries on the contract.)


Chad Ford just go teach in Hawaii and take up surfing or something.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 07/30/2005 03:03:47]

Tyson is 3 inches taller.

Watson would be a better fit than Crawford. NO mention of trading nate.

Crawford for Eric Snow, who was his point in Philly. Makes sense short term, but I'd rather not see it. Cleveland is in win now mode, we are not. There is a 3-4 year plan here, and now is not the time to load it up.

Guys like Desmond are expendable, and guys like NENE get a premium. PUt him next to Bogut, and your set for years! Bucks drafted into Desmonds position anyway.

Im not saying Chad is on the money with everyting, but some makes sense, not to take verbatum, but just conceptual jibber to meet a deadline. In fact, I would say its quite less outlandish than most of the trade proposals made on these forums.

Most trades are a surprise and unpredictabele.
Okay Nalod, Dalembert is 6-11 and Tyson is 7-1, but this is the most minor of my gripes with his article.

Desmond and Pachulia for NeNe is a stupid trade because Pachulia and Nene are comparable players. They have similar numbers now, Pachulia is 6 and 8 and Nene is 9 and 8; and they have similar size as well. Desmond Mason averages 17 points per game, I think he can get Nene all by himself if there was a trade, Desmond and Pachulia is a dumb trade for Milwaukee because they can keep those pieces and get better. I am not convinced Nene is or will continue to be that much better than PAchulia.

Crawford for Eric Snow seems like a really stupid trade to me. Snow makes way too much money and his upside is........nono-existant. LB can mold Craw into a serious player, I can't see why how IT or LB would not want to test things out before trading for a lessor player in Snow.

If we somehow acquired Watson, he would be our 4th pg. Nate, Steph, Watson and Craw? Does that help make us a better team? I would say no. If LB works well with Craw will that help us exponentialiy more? I would say hell yes.
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7/30/2005  11:47 AM
Posted by crzymdups:



Huh? What are you talking about. He's one of the best pure shooters in the league, a tough defender and the ultimate team player. Very, very solid player. If he was on this team, he would start.


Are you friggin kidding me? He's a good pure shooter, but I wouldn't exactly say anywhere near elite. Tough defender? Now I officially know you've never actually watched him play. Very solid player he is not. He's a nice addition to any team simply b/c he can shoot.....that's about it. Again, typical Knick fan overrating a player simply b/c he isn't on the Knicks.


Now, as for Killa -- dude, stop with the hating on Chad Ford. It's bordering on immature and ignorant. He says some things that makes you wonder whether it's an actual rumor or just his "idea" of something that should happen, but most of the time he's closer to right then wrong. I spent probably around 10 pages worth explaining why we need to trade Crawford, and all you come up with is senseless bantering. Come up with a good arguement as to why he's worth keeping now that Larry's here, and we can talk. But the excessive ranting is pointless.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  2:09 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by crzymdups:

I spent probably around 10 pages worth explaining why we need to trade Crawford, and all you come up with is senseless bantering. Come up with a good arguement as to why he's worth keeping now that Larry's here, and we can talk. But the excessive ranting is pointless.

The good argument for keeping Crawford is very simple, hes extremely talented and we have the best teacher in the game as our coach, period.

your 2 bolded sentences hihglight a major contradiction in what any reasonable person would consider excessive ranting. I make a few posts and its excessive ranting, you write 10 pages and what is it? lol.
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7/30/2005  2:17 PM
it's the quality of the posts that matters, not the quantity.


talent is overrated when you have no intangibles. larry is BIG on intangibles. he hates star-talented players. look at that Philly team with AI. There was Iverson and then.....noboby else. He was the only All-Star caliber player. Marbury's here to stay, but Brown is NOT gonna be into guys like Crawford and Timmy, who have shown the promise of being players that really impact a game but always fall short...

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/30/2005 14:19:02]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  2:23 PM
S.A.T. ultimateknicks style:
dido is to kurt as bobs is to ____?

A. craw
B. jamal
C. jcraw
D. jamal crawford
E. all of the above

now tell me this bobs - what is the difference between billups before he got to detroit and crawford right now?

we get it already...you don't think crawford fits here...10 pages (like you said) and now 2 more here...cool.
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7/30/2005  2:29 PM
Billups has ALWAYS been consistent from downtown and an average defender.


Crawford has never been either...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  2:41 PM
Btw, how would you guys feel about Patterson and a pick for Crawford?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  2:52 PM
Crawford has way too much potential for that trade. IT wouldn't think about it. Crawford for Miles is more reasonable, but i still don't want to get rid of Crawford unless we can get a very good starting PF for him. I think the plan is to still trade Thomas for a quality big man and start Crawford at the 2 and Richardson at the 3. There's not enough minutes off the bench at the 1, 2, and 3 for Crawford, Robinson, and Ariza so something is going to be done. Thomas has a lot of value because of his expiring contract and the fact that he is still a quality player, so i think he is as good as gone.
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7/30/2005  3:10 PM
Larry Brown would vehemently disagree...




You, like alot of Knick fans, either fall into the category of a self-hating Knick or a Homer.

I try to fall into the rare "Supportive but Realistic" category...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  3:52 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

S.A.T. ultimateknicks style:
dido is to kurt as bobs is to ____?

A. craw
B. jamal
C. jcraw
D. jamal crawford
E. all of the above

LOFL!!!!
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7/30/2005  4:25 PM
Posted by Knixkik:

Crawford has way too much potential for that trade. IT wouldn't think about it. Crawford for Miles is more reasonable, but i still don't want to get rid of Crawford unless we can get a very good starting PF for him. I think the plan is to still trade Thomas for a quality big man and start Crawford at the 2 and Richardson at the 3. There's not enough minutes off the bench at the 1, 2, and 3 for Crawford, Robinson, and Ariza so something is going to be done. Thomas has a lot of value because of his expiring contract and the fact that he is still a quality player, so i think he is as good as gone.

i agree, its not enough for crawford.
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7/30/2005  4:55 PM
it may or may not be, but Crawford should still be dealt, preferably for a defensive-oriented backcourt player and a pick.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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