Posted by gunsnewing:


not if one of those players grow unhappy with mediocrity and being in smaller markets and demand that they are traded to a bigger market team like NY, LA, Chicago, Florida etc

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:


not if one of those players grow unhappy with mediocrity and being in smaller markets and demand that they are traded to a bigger market team like NY, LA, Chicago, Florida etc

I think the fact is that its on record that this works either way you cant dispute that. I know you'd rather go the other direction but building the team the way Isiah is now has proven to work, you don't always have to go the salary cap route.

where has finishing with 30+wins every year worked though? The only time that has worked in the past 20yrs was in Detroit because they were extremely smart with their trades like trading Hill for Ben, stack for rip etc. other than them(who only won once by the way) every other championship team built their teams with high lottery picks and free agent acquisitions which is only possible with cap space. There's a huge difference between having the 8-10th pick every year as opposed to a top 3-5 pick and I known you know it. Even if we squeeze into the playoffs eventually we're going to have to make moves to take it the extra step, every team does detroit and miami are good examples. Why prolong it? The Knicks haven't won for over 30yrs now is the time, now that the expiring pieces are in place. If we get started now in 2-3yrs we should be a legit contender like we were when we drafted Ewing. If we prolong it we could years away and stock in mediocrity.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/29/2005 15:29:04]

Posted by gunsnewing:


where has finishing with 30+wins every year worked though? The only time that has worked in the past 20yrs was in Detroit because they were extremely smart with their trades like trading Hill for Ben, stack for rip etc. other than them(who only won once by the way) every other championship team built their teams with high lottery picks and free agent acquisitions which is only possible with cap space. There's a huge difference between having the 8-10th pick every year as opposed to a top 3-5 pick and I known you know it. Even if we squeeze into the playoffs eventually we're going to have to make moves to take it the extra step, every team does detroit and miami are good examples. Why prolong it?

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:


where has finishing with 30+wins every year worked though? The only time that has worked in the past 20yrs was in Detroit because they were extremely smart with their trades like trading Hill for Ben, stack for rip etc. other than them(who only won once by the way) every other championship team built their teams with high lottery picks and free agent acquisitions which is only possible with cap space. There's a huge difference between having the 8-10th pick every year as opposed to a top 3-5 pick and I known you know it. Even if we squeeze into the playoffs eventually we're going to have to make moves to take it the extra step, every team does detroit and miami are good examples. Why prolong it?

Rod, I'm really starting to wonder when this is going to get into your head. JIM DOLAN WILL NEVER AND I REPEAT NEVER LET THE KNICKS BE A HIGH LOTTERY TEAM... IT'S NOT ALLOWED WHILE HE IS OWNER.

Money Talks

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:


where has finishing with 30+wins every year worked though? The only time that has worked in the past 20yrs was in Detroit because they were extremely smart with their trades like trading Hill for Ben, stack for rip etc. other than them(who only won once by the way) every other championship team built their teams with high lottery picks and free agent acquisitions which is only possible with cap space. There's a huge difference between having the 8-10th pick every year as opposed to a top 3-5 pick and I known you know it. Even if we squeeze into the playoffs eventually we're going to have to make moves to take it the extra step, every team does detroit and miami are good examples. Why prolong it?

Rod, I'm really starting to wonder when this is going to get into your head. JIM DOLAN WILL NEVER AND I REPEAT NEVER LET THE KNICKS BE A HIGH LOTTERY TEAM... IT'S NOT ALLOWED WHILE HE IS OWNER.

Money Talks

thats ok he will not be owner of the Knicks for much longer at this pace. How long has it been since Cablevision bought the team 8-9yrs? They will sell eventually to someone who's willing to pay more money and hopefully is a fan of basketball.

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Guns, I see you in other threads stating that is a pipedream to use a expiring contract to get a guy like Elton Brand but your dreaming a pipe dream if you think that Dolan is going to throw all away the season tickets he has which makes him a TON of money on away on a gamble like the draft. It's not a good business decision for him and thats the way that he looks at it. The Knicks are a business for him, not a toy like it is for Mark Cuban.

well said.

-- Chinese Face.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:



so you guys are content with Dolan's philosophy? I'm not I want him out and I'm hopeful he sells sometime in the near future to someone who will give him a ton of money. The backlash he's going to get from fans and media for the mediccrity will take its toll on him. He's not Steinbrenner. He won't hang in there. He's not passionate about his team only the money.

I still think there's a better chance of Dolan selling the team than us getting Elton Brand for expiring contracts, Q, Crawford etc

It doesn't matter if we are content with Dolan's philopshy. I think every single basketball fan would want his owner to be like Mark Cuban. I don't mean to be a jackass but WOW you want Dolan out, good luck getting that too happen. Open up your eyes, this team has been mediocre for YEARS now and nothing has changed, the real Knicks fans know this but its NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER going to stop the casual fans from not going to Madison Garden to watch a game because of the way the team is structured. Its been going on for 7 years and its going to go on for another 7 years.

Dolan could care less what you or any of us think about the state of the Knicks. The one thing I will give Dolan credit for is his business acumen, he's an extremely good business man and he knows how to market this franchise and how to structure it so that he will continue to make a ton of moeny off of it.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/29/2005 15:43:13]

Posted by rojasmas:

We haven't come that far. We might be a 45 win team if everything breaks right. A seven seed in the playoffs looking for a first round upset which is harder these days with 7 game series in the early rounds. But it will be better than last year's fiasco.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by rojasmas:

We haven't come that far. We might be a 45 win team if everything breaks right. A seven seed in the playoffs looking for a first round upset which is harder these days with 7 game series in the early rounds. But it will be better than last year's fiasco.

I agree Rojas. I think Isiah is only in step 1 of his rebuilding project and that we have great talent with good rookies coming in. Step 2 will be to trade the expiring contracts and see what kind of player(s) we get in return. You never know who is going to be available come trade deadline and the Knicks have extremely good young trade chips to trade along with those expiring contracts to get a very good player in return. I'm really excited about the way things are going.