Posted by nyk4ever:

The point is no one knows. Phil has 9 rings, he still had to coach the team. I dont know how many coaches could have coached Shaq and Kobe and doused the flames like he did when they were both ripping each other in the press. What I'm saying is no one knows what would have happened if Larry coached Jordan and Phil coached the teams Larry did, all I know is that it didnt happen and that Phil has 9 rings from it. Listen I know what you guys are saying and I give Larry alot of credit for getting the teams he coaches to the playoffs but since when has that ever been enough? Winning is everything and Phils done it over and over and over (repeat 6 more times)

Posted by nyk4ever:

Listen I dont disagree with that but I mean Phil Jackson still had to draw up plays, he had to still call out the plays on the court, he still had to do alot of things. I don't get how you guys can say Larry is a better coach just becuase Phil had the talent. A coach who wasn't any good would get the talent and not win with it.

I dont think theres an end to this argument until the end of this year when Phil has a team that has less talent then he's used to. If the Lakers win anything less then 47 games this year, I'll concede to you that Phil isnt as good as his record shows.

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Listen I dont disagree with that but I mean Phil Jackson still had to draw up plays, he had to still call out the plays on the court, he still had to do alot of things. I don't get how you guys can say Larry is a better coach just becuase Phil had the talent. A coach who wasn't any good would get the talent and not win with it.

I dont think theres an end to this argument until the end of this year when Phil has a team that has less talent then he's used to. If the Lakers win anything less then 47 games this year, I'll concede to you that Phil isnt as good as his record shows.

but Phil had more than just talent. He had Jordan, Pippen, Shaq and Kobe...those guys make it very easy to draw whatever play up. You need the players to execute his brilliant plays. Lenny and Herb drew up some brilliant last second plays but they didn't have the players to execute them. Marbury passed the ball up, Crawford went against the play and chucked a 3 and Nazr blew wide open layups that the great play calling got him. There's more to coaching than just drawing up plays and keeping huge SUPERstar egos in place like getting the most out of each player like Riley and Brown have done but Phil is too afraid of taking on the task

big deal who phil had, the thing is, he made it work.. why couldnt penny+shaq win in orlando? how long was it before jordan actually won? would jordan have won as much elsewhere? would the bulls have won 6 titles? would the lakers have won 3? phil built dynasties. its not like LB didnt have talent in Detroit, the only place he has managed to get to the promise land.

Posted by gunsnewing:


because Penny was always overrated. He was never Jordan or Kobe and besides they almost did win if they hadn't had to face a legendary team of Olajuwon & drexler in the finals

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/28/2005 17:03:20]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:


because Penny was always overrated. He was never Jordan or Kobe and besides they almost did win if they hadn't had to face a legendary team of Olajuwon & drexler in the finals

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/28/2005 17:03:20]

Now that is the biggest lie I've ever seen. Penny was nowhere near overrated. Penny was Penny before Kobe was even playing HighSchool basketball, I don't wanna hear that. Penny was an extremely special player before his knee problems. Obviously Kobe doesn't need Shaq, he seemed to score just fine last year (28 ppg without him) Jordan never won before Phil and neither did Shaq and Kobe. Shaq even made it to finals before he got to Phil and couldn't get it done.

but shaq didn't win because he ran into Olajuwon and drexler. Those guys were the reason Houston won not Rudy T.

Posted by gunsnewing:


but shaq didn't win because he ran into Olajuwon and drexler. Those guys were the reason Houston won not Rudy T.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:

"Next thing I'm gonna hear is that Rudy Tomjonavich wasn't a good coach becuase he had Hakeem"

^^^^^you heard it here first

Why didnt Hakeem win every single year then? If it didn't matter who was coaching he should have won every year since he was such a good player.

Same thing with Stockton and Malone, they are argubally 2 of the best players at their positions and they never won once. Oh but they faced Jordan AND PHIL JACKSON who figured a way to take both of them out of their game to make his team win. COACHING WINS.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Ok. well thats where will differ. I think Phil would work exactly fine here becuase Tex Winters has gone on the record saying that Stephon and Crawford would be absolutely perefect the Triangle Offense, so would Sweetney and Frye. The triangle has worked both in Chicago and LA why couldn't it work in New York? We'll never know now but I for one am NOT going to shortchange Phil Jackson's coaching job on winning 9 championships.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/28/2005 17:31:33]

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I'm really glad we have Larry Brown instead right now both coaches are terrific, interchangeable as far as who is the best in the game but Larry is a better fit in NY

thats crazy to think they are on the same level, and i wonder if brown would even be viewed as such(but warped fans), if brown didnt win his sole ring.