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Ray15
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7/28/2005  1:22 AM
Posted by jaydh:

i just dont get why portland would do this deal. 3 1sts just to clear a little money. sounds obscene. portland can afford to pay players(their payroll isnt that high). besides, who would portland start at SF? wouldnt they rather play miles over patterson?

I don't think they would give 3 first rounders but I do see them trying to deal DMiles. They are in full blown rebuild mode and want to clear as much cap as possible -- they are going to play the young guys this year, get another high draft pick, and look to start signing some free agents.
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7/28/2005  1:25 AM
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in the Nazzy-Rose deal, we gave up the better player AND the expiring contract. We were compensated for taking a less valuable player and a longer contract, so we got picks which are like early first rounders.

In this proposed trade (JYD for DM), we take the more valuable player who makes alot of money, for a less valuable and older player, who also is overpaid but not as much. Its not like we;re giving them an expiring contract. JYD is 32 and has 2-3 years left on his contract, I dont see us getting 2 picks for him, and a 25 year old player who could be a beast. I really think you are way off on this one. Im sure they could get an expiring 5 million dollar contract for him from somone. Houston could have offered Spoon for him. and it aint like they don't need a 3 who plays tough D, JVG could use him. I can't understand where youre coming from on this one.
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in the Nazzy-Rose deal, we gave up the better player AND the expiring contract. We were compensated for taking a less valuable player and a longer contract, so we got picks which are like early first rounders.

In this proposed trade (JYD for DM), we take the more valuable player who makes alot of money, for a less valuable and older player, who also is overpaid but not as much. Its not like we;re giving them an expiring contract. JYD is 32 and has 2-3 years left on his contract, I dont see us getting 2 picks for him, and a 25 year old player who could be a beast. I really think you are way off on this one. Im sure they could get an expiring 5 million dollar contract for him from somone. Houston could have offered Spoon for him. and it aint like they don't need a 3 who plays tough D, JVG could use him. I can't understand where youre coming from on this one.


nazr is not a clear superior player to malik, if anything on the basis of numbers they are even, the only difference between the two is 2 yrs and 13 mm on the contracts and we were compensated for it.

I wouldnt let Portland OUT of 27 MM $ for a player they want off their team--two number 1 picks, same deal as malik for nazr. i wouldnt do it any other way. my goal is for Darius AND the assets to help get me a big. If not, there are other fish to fry. 2 picks or nothing.
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7/28/2005  4:28 AM
I kinda agree with briggs for once. Let's ee things this way, we're knicks fans, so money is nothing to our eyes.

What's 27 mm for the knicks ? I mean, we've been used to see spoon, adnerson, eisly being paid that way.

Portland though pretty rich is going nowhere.
Miles can't help them and they're load at SF.

27m is a big saving for a team that has no chance to do anything and is caught in the midle ground of nowhere (no playoffs and no big draft).
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7/28/2005  6:13 AM
BRIGGS, you are crazy man. Portland would never trade JYD for Darius Miles, and you are proposing JYD for Miles AND TWO picks!!! Not even Layden would accept that trade. Isiah = GM of the year if this trade happens.
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7/28/2005  6:59 AM
Isiah could have traded for Miles before and passed. Unless LB pushes for a trade it's not happening.
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7/28/2005  7:02 AM
2 1st round picks from a team that knows it is going to suck for the next few years with all the high schoolers makin up their core? I don't think so.

The reason SA was so willin to part with picks is because the know their picks are like 30 and 29 every year.

Toronto's manager is prolly worse then Layden, so no reason to use him as a measuring stick either.
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7/28/2005  7:38 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

BRIGGS, you are crazy man. Portland would never trade JYD for Darius Miles, and you are proposing JYD for Miles AND TWO picks!!! Not even Layden would accept that trade. Isiah = GM of the year if this trade happens.
I have to agree... I think a Crawford for Miles + pick is a more realistic scenario.
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7/28/2005  7:39 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by Killa4luv:

BRIGGS-
in the Nazzy-Rose deal, we gave up the better player AND the expiring contract. We were compensated for taking a less valuable player and a longer contract, so we got picks which are like early first rounders.

In this proposed trade (JYD for DM), we take the more valuable player who makes alot of money, for a less valuable and older player, who also is overpaid but not as much. Its not like we;re giving them an expiring contract. JYD is 32 and has 2-3 years left on his contract, I dont see us getting 2 picks for him, and a 25 year old player who could be a beast. I really think you are way off on this one. Im sure they could get an expiring 5 million dollar contract for him from somone. Houston could have offered Spoon for him. and it aint like they don't need a 3 who plays tough D, JVG could use him. I can't understand where youre coming from on this one.


nazr is not a clear superior player to malik, if anything on the basis of numbers they are even, the only difference between the two is 2 yrs and 13 mm on the contracts and we were compensated for it.

I wouldnt let Portland OUT of 27 MM $ for a player they want off their team--two number 1 picks, same deal as malik for nazr. i wouldnt do it any other way. my goal is for Darius AND the assets to help get me a big. If not, there are other fish to fry. 2 picks or nothing.
Nazr is a clearly the better player.
Malik Rose before the trade: 6 pts 4 rbs
Nazr Mohammed before the trade: 11 and 8.

Thats almost double! Not to mention he is 3 inches taller, there is no one in the NBA who would choose Malik over NAzzy who was top 5 offensive rebounders in the league and a top 10 ranked center at the time. This really isn't even close.

BTW, when are you gonna learn how to quote properly? you are really irking me with that. You have like a quarter of a million posts already!!!!!!!!

Plus what Sim said, SA's first round picks are guaranteed to be 28 or lower.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 07/28/2005 07:39:31]
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7/28/2005  8:47 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

BRIGGS, you are crazy man. Portland would never trade JYD for Darius Miles, and you are proposing JYD for Miles AND TWO picks!!! Not even Layden would accept that trade. Isiah = GM of the year if this trade happens.
I have to agree... I think a Crawford for Miles + pick is a more realistic scenario.

Damn right....

I had a thread on this and guys were too busy making jokes about "guys are too much into dunkers".....Miles could have the same role that Tayshaun Prince had in Detroit. Miles can put it on the floor like a guard and he blocks shots. Plus he can score with a high fg% and he can knock down the three.

Craw has had the same potential......but whatever you say about Miles....the same could be said about Craw. The Knicks have Q right now. Craw is expendable especially if a guy like Miles can be available. Juan Dixon just signed with Portland. Flip Murray is still available.....

Miles and Q are best friends. That in itself is a big plus.

I dunno.....Miles would definately close the door on Timmy forever. That's all that matters.....somewhere along the line during the season Isiah could make another move a la Rasheed to put the team over the top.....Maybe Elton Brand would become available. Stranger things have happened.

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7/28/2005  8:51 AM
Posted by jaydh:

i just dont get why portland would do this deal. 3 1sts just to clear a little money. sounds obscene. portland can afford to pay players(their payroll isnt that high). besides, who would portland start at SF? wouldnt they rather play miles over patterson?

I dunno about the trades they were suggesting but Travis Outlaw would be the starter at small forward in Portland. He is ready.
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7/28/2005  1:13 PM
i look at it as a simple equation

i would ONLy do the deal IF they offered both the Nets and Utah 2006 picks back or a Blazer 2007 pick with a combination of one of the other.

they do NOT want Miles, I think he would be a good fit here

JYD is a solid player who brings leadership and defense rebounding + only 2 yrs on his contract

The Blazers CUT 28 MILLION dollars for a player they would move for nothing if they could. Some person's trash is another's fotune.
The deal is only good if we get picks for the 28mm in cash we take on-

NO WAY on the Earth would I trade Crawford for Miles andI know Isiah wouldnt do it either. I guess some people dont follow the nBA--Portland DOES not want Miles--if they want a salry dump and a decent player--the cost is the two picks they acquired for nothing.

We need a big man--with a multitude of picks--if a team like Memphis or LA decides they want to rebuild that things arent working out, then we have 3 draft picks in surplus and an ending contract to work with.

Its a simple deduction--we are willing to take on the extra salry for this--and if this deal is not good enough--OK.
you get better by trying to be opportunistic being smart--giving crawford for miles is smart? thats insane--Im not interested in trading crawford--id rather trade marbury than crawford, but either way, the only thing Im interested in with Miles is a salary dump ith picks coming back, otherwise Ill stay status quo.
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7/28/2005  1:54 PM
Since when can Darius Miles shoot the ball? I know it was improving towards the end of last season but he's got an ugly outside shot. Why would we want a guy who butts heads with his coach and can't shoot straight. I just don't see it. I realize he's athletic and brings steals and blocks but the guys is a 16% career three point shooter who upped that average by shooting 34% last year. I also realize that LB won't want us jacking up 3's all day (big no no with him) but I don't even like his mid range game. For me it's a "no thank you." and I just don't see it. Plus, why wouldn't Portland, with a new coach at he helm, see what they can do with him. They're gonna be a run and gun team and I think he's a better fit there.
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7/28/2005  2:11 PM
Spree choking PJ is reasonable because PJ can get under players skins and by all accounts was getting on Spree pretty bad. So I didn't have much of a problem obtaining him, hoping that it was bad circumstance in Bay Area. Now Miles calling Mo Cheeks (a former player, a player's coach, and by all accounts a hell of a guy) the N word and cursing him out because he got on Miles for not paying attention. I say a big no thanks. Brownbag is like 64, has bladder problems and you want him to now worry about a guy like Miles. Rasheed was only bad to the officials and the league but was always viewed as a great teammate in both Portland and Washington. Brown said this before they acquired him. Miles in a Knick uniform is a nightmare waiting to happen.
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7/28/2005  4:08 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Spree choking PJ is reasonable because PJ can get under players skins and by all accounts was getting on Spree pretty bad. So I didn't have much of a problem obtaining him, hoping that it was bad circumstance in Bay Area. Now Miles calling Mo Cheeks (a former player, a player's coach, and by all accounts a hell of a guy) the N word and cursing him out because he got on Miles for not paying attention. I say a big no thanks. Brownbag is like 64, has bladder problems and you want him to now worry about a guy like Miles. Rasheed was only bad to the officials and the league but was always viewed as a great teammate in both Portland and Washington. Brown said this before they acquired him. Miles in a Knick uniform is a nightmare waiting to happen.



So in your world, wrapping your hands around someone's neck is a slighter infraction to calling someone a name based on who is the coach? OK. Guys swear at coaches all the time and coaches swear at players just as bad.
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7/28/2005  4:13 PM
Posted by Bernard30:

Since when can Darius Miles shoot the ball? I know it was improving towards the end of last season but he's got an ugly outside shot. Why would we want a guy who butts heads with his coach and can't shoot straight. I just don't see it. I realize he's athletic and brings steals and blocks but the guys is a 16% career three point shooter who upped that average by shooting 34% last year. I also realize that LB won't want us jacking up 3's all day (big no no with him) but I don't even like his mid range game. For me it's a "no thank you." and I just don't see it. Plus, why wouldn't Portland, with a new coach at he helm, see what they can do with him. They're gonna be a run and gun team and I think he's a better fit there.

when he gets + 35 minutes, the guys numbers are close to all star. Not to mention he can rebound and defend+ hes still 23. Having a great looking jumpshot is not a necessity to being a great player. You take a young person's action with somewhat of a grain of salt. This would be a good environment for Darius. That whole Portland thing for all those players was a nightmare of mismanagement
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7/28/2005  4:44 PM
But Briggs, don't you think we already have a Darius Miles type in Ariza? I'll take my chances with developing him rather then stunting his growth or moving players for a similair type.
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