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Bonn1997
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7/20/2005  11:10 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Getting a little sick of this RPG stuff. So I decided to look up some big men numbers. I think I will start with the Big fella numbers from last season.
Shaquille O'Neal RPG 10.40
I thought that was pretty decent until I look at Lamar Odom's numbers
Lamar Odom RPG 10.20
Shaq outweighs him by 100 pounds, has 3 inches on him and plays strictly in the post while Odom patrols from the perimeter to the post and he can only get.20 more rpg. The Lakers problems last season wasn't because of Odom.
Nene RPG 5.90
This is the guy you hear alot about on this board. About how the Knicks need to get him. Really? 5.90 boards, its no wonder that he that Kiki wanted to get K-Mart and constantly has Nene on the blocks.
Brad Miller RPG 9.30
The most underappreciated center, maybe player in the league.
Ben Wallace RPG 12.20
Enough said.
Dwight Howard RPG 10.00
Young man is on his way. Those numbers are great for a young rookie.
Samuel Dalembert RPG 7.50
Another guy who gets alot of love around here but numbers are spotty at best. I guess everyone expects that one day the bulb will come on and he will be something great. Btw, he has been in the league 3 years already is already 24 yrs old. Funny how some guys get love while others don't.
Micheal Sweetney RPG 5.40
Numbers seem to go down this season with more minutes. Conditioning has alot to do with it.

To me these are quality big men I listed of course there are ton of others but I think if Frye get anywhere need 5+ rpg next season with decent minutes (meaning getting Dwight Howard's type of rookie minutes) I think he is right on course.

http://www.nba.com/players/
Interesting. Q at SG is as good a rebounder as some of these guys.
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7/20/2005  11:15 PM
Interesting. Q at SG is as good a rebounder as some of these guys.

And that's something Larry Brown preaches....rebounding. If he in fact does become head coach I'm sure Q will get his fair share of pt. And with Q's rebounding numbers you can't be afraid to move him to SF.

By the way Bonn, you may be adding LB to your signature sometime next week,
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7/20/2005  11:25 PM
You guys don't seem to understand the art of rebounding.

A rebound DOES NOT consist of the ball bouncing your way and you simply getting your hand on it. Although it shows up in the scorers box, it still doesn't count in my book.

Guys like Ben Wallace and Garnett fight for rebounds, whereas Shaq and Yao Ming simply use their leverage to box out. That has to do with weight, not rebounding mechanics. Frye will have to fight for boards. He has no other choice. Based on what I've seen from him in college and SL, I don't think he has the tenacity to get more than 5-7 boards a game in his prime. Remember, he's a finesse PF/C, not a hard body banging in the paint. At best Frye will be a pretty poor man's Sheed with slightly less range. In his prime, unless he breaks out and goes nuts, I think 15 and 7 is reasonable.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/20/2005  11:27 PM
Quick jumpers can also bound. That's how Camby does it. Understanding the trajectory of bounds can also compensate for a big butt.
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7/20/2005  11:32 PM
Posted by Rich:

Quick jumpers can also bound. That's how Camby does it. Understanding the trajectory of bounds can also compensate for a big butt.

garnett and ben wallace would fall into that category.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/20/2005  11:38 PM
Considering David Lee and Nate Robinson's impressive rebounding totals, I wonder if Frye is just accustomed to boxing out and letting the little guys get the boards.

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7/20/2005  11:48 PM
Posted by Rich:

Isiah said that he would draft Frye over Bogut. We are beginning to understand why.
After he worked him out, he was sure Frye was a franchise big. Herb and Mark will teach him all the positioning he'll need to get boards, he has good hands and keeps get stronger.
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7/21/2005  12:00 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Knick fans put too much into each pick because for 20 years we didnt draft anyone. We added 3 good players. One might become great, maybe none become great, maybe all are servicable NBA players. Bottom line is if we just use the draft each year like we did this year in a couple of year we will have a roster full of young talent like the Bulls and Grizz have with the $$$ to make some bigtime moves.

I just hope we are patient and stay this course regardless of outcome for at least 2 MORE years.

Great rational post. We're not killing the kids and we're not trying to put them in the Hall of Fame. This is what a lot of us are saying. Frye might not be that big rebounder. He might be a 'Curry Light'. Offensive skills, but his rebounding numbers don't match his size. I'm still high on him amd I'm glad IT got him.

[Edited by - tapseer on 07/21/2005 00:01:50]
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7/21/2005  9:16 AM
I find rebounding numbers to be among the most misleading of all stats. Is Kurt Thomas a better rebounder than KMart? I don't think he's even close, but he probably had an extra rebound or two per game last year. KMart, though, is someone I'd rely on to get a key reboudn in crunch time. He always seems to be getting tough boards in traffic, while Kurt seems to be grabbing missed foul shots. As others have pointed out, some of the best rebounders keep their guy of the glass so a teammate can grab the ball.

A more revealing stat, imo, than personal rebounds would be team rebounds + or - while you're on the court vs. while you're on the bench. Does anyone track that?
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7/21/2005  9:28 AM
Posted by bernard:

I find rebounding numbers to be among the most misleading of all stats. Is Kurt Thomas a better rebounder than KMart? I don't think he's even close, but he probably had an extra rebound or two per game last year. KMart, though, is someone I'd rely on to get a key reboudn in crunch time. He always seems to be getting tough boards in traffic, while Kurt seems to be grabbing missed foul shots. As others have pointed out, some of the best rebounders keep their guy of the glass so a teammate can grab the ball.

A more revealing stat, imo, than personal rebounds would be team rebounds + or - while you're on the court vs. while you're on the bench. Does anyone track that?

82 games does. Even breaks it dwon by offensive and defensive as well. For example, here's KT's:

http://www.82games.com/04NYK14D.HTM
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7/21/2005  9:39 AM
Are you guys really serious, everyone shows emotion when they dunk on people, and Frye is 6'11 he should be dunking on people, lets not get excited about one picture, he isn't averaging 8 rebounds in summer league, where you might have 2 rotation players on a roster
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7/21/2005  9:47 AM
Carefull there, you might just get called a closet Net fan lol.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/21/2005  9:48 AM
K-Mart is a NY kinda player. He's got the heart and tenacity to do big things, but for some reason he's never really hit his stride in Denver. That said, he's one of the guys in the league I'd LOVE to have. Doubt he's available though.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/21/2005  9:49 AM
Posted by simrud:

Carefull there, you might just get called a closet Net fan lol.

Kid:


Do yourself a favor and grow up.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/21/2005  9:55 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

K-Mart is a NY kinda player. He's got the heart and tenacity to do big things, but for some reason he's never really hit his stride in Denver. That said, he's one of the guys in the league I'd LOVE to have. Doubt he's available though.

Having andre miller vs. Kidd feeding you is a big difference!
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7/21/2005  10:01 AM
Posted by Nalod:


Having andre miller vs. Kidd feeding you is a big difference!


That's true, but he just looks plain lost on that team. In NJ, he was usually the 3rd scoring option. In Denver, he's like the 5th, even behind Camby...

I know he's overpaid, but that guy can flat out play. He's not really skilled, but he has that Barkley type of intensity out on the floor that would fit well in NY. Making a deal happen with the Nuggs, though, would be hard, b/c we don't have much to offer besides an expiring contract...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/21/2005  12:12 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Nalod:


Having andre miller vs. Kidd feeding you is a big difference!


That's true, but he just looks plain lost on that team. In NJ, he was usually the 3rd scoring option. In Denver, he's like the 5th, even behind Camby...

I know he's overpaid, but that guy can flat out play. He's not really skilled, but he has that Barkley type of intensity out on the floor that would fit well in NY. Making a deal happen with the Nuggs, though, would be hard, b/c we don't have much to offer besides an expiring contract...
that might be enough or close to enough considering the length and size of his contract. maybe wed have to throw in a draft pick but i would probably do it.
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7/21/2005  12:38 PM
Frye's Minn. Summer league statline looks like this... 23 mpg 13.8 ppg 5 rpg 1.6 bpg on 60% shooting. Stats came from Draft Expess. Those are not bad stats at all. He will always need to play alongside a bigger player to keep the pressure off of him, but the kid can play. He's a 4, who could be serviceable at the 5 ala KT. Skillwise, this guy can shoot the 15 fter, he has a jumphook with either hand and given time he'll be better than all right. He still has a little finesse to him. I don't think he'll ever shed that, but as long he p[lays alongside someone who can protect his back, he's the man.
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7/21/2005  1:36 PM
Why are we even discussing KMart on this board???? We have a bunch of young studds on our roster that we don't even know much about just yet, let's wait and see what they can offer before crying for trades....We need a good coach, and I hope that Larry accepts to come in asap...
The true Knickabocker..........
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7/21/2005  1:38 PM
we won't win a playoff series with the roster the way it is now...



DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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