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diderotn
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7/18/2005  10:24 PM
James is a real Center who is capable of doing many things...He is 7'1 and 271 lbs. Centers do not come cheap. Let's see who will have the better year. James is not a Knicks and I will support him....the hell with Swift. He had the opportunity of joining the Knicks, but he is after more money, I am not mad at him...Our Knicks may have a better year thant the Rockets next season....I am at least hoping for that.
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by diderotn:

I know that this game is all about getting paid, but why in the world is Swift thinking that he is worth more than the MLE when he has yet to prove anything in this league????? I think that the time has come for teams to stop overpaying for scrubbs...


ummm. swift is 25 and put up 10+5 in 20 min

if swift is overpaid then what is james who put up
4 points and 4 reb?
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7/18/2005  10:26 PM
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he's got a point there.

which shows you that if we were to have gotten Swift in NYC he would have well overpaid. He didn't come here for the mle, he found another place a better fit. But if it's about money we would have had to have been under the cap and would have had to come with a counter offer that was more lucrative than Houston.
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7/18/2005  10:26 PM
it's funny b/c when zeke got here, he said, subtlely, that under layden people didn't want to come here. well so far, that really hasn't changed that much
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7/18/2005  10:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we only have 1 mle and so many roster spots--we cant dictate who signs where

so far i give isiah a b on this offseason, I think the draft grades out to an A-B+ taking on Q is a B and James wouldve been a B for 2 years since he was given 5 years he is a C+.

I wouldve rather done some different things in the draft, but I am very saitisfied with Frye and Nate, and hopefully Lee will surprise me in camp, or down the road.
You're very satisfied with Frye? Given your past comments, I have to say I'm shocked.
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7/18/2005  10:30 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

How have we realized this?
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atleast we have realized tonight the demand for AW is false[no sht!] and his market value is 5mm per--
I don't get it either. What happened tonight?
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7/18/2005  10:30 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

it's funny b/c when zeke got here, he said, subtlely, that under layden people didn't want to come here. well so far, that really hasn't changed that much

I like the little smiley face u put next to your sentence. Is that because you're happy that Zeke was wrong? Or are u happy that players still aren't flocking to Ny? Which one made u happier I wonder?
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7/18/2005  10:31 PM
I guess the fact that Rahim agreed to took less money than his market value to play for one of his old coaches Frank.

Not sure if this counts as a good example...he was going to Jersey no matter what.
Abdur-Rahim Agrees To Join Nets, Either Via MLE Or Sign-And-Trade
18th July, 2005 - 9:01 pm
ESPN - A team source said the Nets are very close to an agreement with Shareef Abdur-Rahim on a six year contract worth roughly $38 million.
To make the deal work under cap rules, the Portland Trail Blazers , who own Abdur-Rahim's rights, would have to agree to sign him to the contract and then trade him to the Nets using a $5 million trade exception that the Nets own. In return, the Nets would send a future first round pick to the Blazers.

If the Nets are unable to get the Blazers to agree to a sign-and-trade, Abdur-Rahim has agreed to sign with the Nets for their mid-level exception at five years for about $28 million, according to the team source. So, either way, it looks like the Nets will get their hands on Abdur-Rahim. [READ]
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7/18/2005  10:31 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by djsunyc:

it's funny b/c when zeke got here, he said, subtlely, that under layden people didn't want to come here. well so far, that really hasn't changed that much

I like the little smiley face u put next to your sentence. Is that because you're happy that Zeke was wrong? Or are u happy that players still aren't flocking to Ny? Which one made u happier I wonder?
You have to count Jamal also. He was a free agent and Isiah orchestrated the sign and trade.
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7/18/2005  10:32 PM
A guy arguably of Walker's talent, Reef has apparently been "reported" to MAYBE sign for the MLE.

I dunno, we'll see. I came on the freakin forum and read a thread that it was a done deal. So I personally I flipped. But not apparntly its not even done yet.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/18/2005  10:35 PM
I think it was because he was joking...if we had the money or teams were inclined to S&T without sticking us with their overpaid rejects, then players would be flocking here.

but the market so far has dictated that players are taking the money (staying with their current teams) or getting grossly overpaid elsewhere or joining teams in championship contention (rockets)

Rahim is definitely the exception joining his former coach.

I'm still waiting for a player to take the MLE or less for a non playoff team.

Other than that, james is the only garbage we can afford...and I say that because he's not been good historically...can he be made better, well, with the improvement I've seen from our undersized big men up aguirre, I don't doubt he will make James a legitimate center in this league.
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Posted by djsunyc:

it's funny b/c when zeke got here, he said, subtlely, that under layden people didn't want to come here. well so far, that really hasn't changed that much

I like the little smiley face u put next to your sentence. Is that because you're happy that Zeke was wrong? Or are u happy that players still aren't flocking to Ny? Which one made u happier I wonder?
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7/18/2005  10:35 PM
No, you're right Sim, he's agreed to sign for the MLE if the nets won't fork over picks.

My bad completely.
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A guy arguably of Walker's talent, Reef has apparently been "reported" to MAYBE sign for the MLE.

I dunno, we'll see. I came on the freakin forum and read a thread that it was a done deal. So I personally I flipped. But not apparntly its not even done yet.
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7/19/2005  7:39 AM
dj! I know that you are not the one saying this. Last time I checked, all the FAs have expressed desire to be in N.Y. the problem is that Layden f...ed our cap so bad, Isiah has no flexibility to bring them on board. Players don't want to play for cheap...you know that. If you are not able to show them the money, they will not come... Only Jordan would play for cheap...and that is why he is the greatest of all times.
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it's funny b/c when zeke got here, he said, subtlely, that under layden people didn't want to come here. well so far, that really hasn't changed that much
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7/19/2005  7:59 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

it's funny b/c when zeke got here, he said, subtlely, that under layden people didn't want to come here. well so far, that really hasn't changed that much
Jamal wanted to come here. He's underachieved but he still has more upside and talent than any FA Layden ever acquired.
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7/19/2005  8:12 AM
Jamal needs a real coach to point out his strength and weaknesses to him like Larry Brown. Jamal started late and was never properly coached. Brown is the perfect teacher for our back court.

Jamal wanted to come here. He's underachieved but he still has more upside and talent than any FA Layden ever acquired.
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7/19/2005  8:34 AM
I'm telling you, we are the mini pistons.

Marbs is billups
Craw is Rip
Ariza is Prince (only not as long)
Frye is sheed
james is big ben
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7/19/2005  8:35 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I'm telling you, we are the mini pistons.

Marbs is billups
Craw is Rip
Ariza is Prince (only not as long)
Frye is sheed
james is big ben

and i'm telling you....lay off the special K. it's hazardous to your health.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/19/2005  9:19 AM
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7/19/2005  9:24 AM
maybe rahim isn't going for the MLE after all...


http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=10601

Don’t be surprised if Antoine Walker gives Shareef Abdur-Rahim a call to thank him. For a while there it looked like Shareef was going to set the precedent and take the midlevel exception from the Nets. Not going to happen. The Nets are finalizing a sign-and-trade that will bring Shareef to Jersey for just above the going rate - a reported $38 million over the next six years
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7/19/2005  9:35 AM
Man, can some of you give it up already? So now we want to jump on IT for not signing people. Unless you're IT's secretary, you don't know who IT has spoke to or tried to sign. We are going to hold IT responsible for not being able to sign someone? If someone doesn't want to come here, they don't want to come here. I really think that some of you need to trade teams or something until IT and Marbury leaves. I like these forums, but sometimes I don't know where you guys come from with these posts and threads. People are always looking to lay blame somewhere. I do know that you guys weren't giving Layden this beef in his 2nd full year as GM. Hypocrits.
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7/19/2005  9:46 AM
here's the deal - we can only go by what we hear, read, and see.

these are some of the things isiah said:

1. before he got here, people didn't want to play in ny
2. he wants to make the talent level equal the dollars

well so far, the talent level has been upgraded...but so have the dollars. it's not about swift or sar here. it's about signing a 25 year old to the MLE as opposed to a hasbeen in vin and a 30 year old career 5/3 player. that's my gripe.

he went out and got jamal - props to isiah but he also outbid everybody AND took back jyd. so it wasn't like he got jamal to come here for the MLE. he paid $50 mil PLUS $20 for jyd on a player he's hoping to develop - almost like paying $70 mil for a lottery pick.

why are we committing 5 years to james? are we grooming frye or not? james is a total stopgap player, so why is he here for 5 years? it's overpaying - there's no way around it. and it reeks of desperation. why not give a 2 year deal to dale davis and let him hold fort until frye is ready?

why not wait instead of just signing james b/c we needed a center so desperately. are we contending next season? nope. it's all about the pressure to get a playoff team on the floor next season b/c he has to justify taking back over $200 mil in deals. is that coming from isiah or dolan? i don't know but it's still a messed up way of thinking.

again, i keep saying this mantra, after the layden debacle, which was ALL bad moves, we needed a GM to come in a give us ALL good moves, not a good one followed by a bad one, that's why the process will keep getting delayed.

i'm THRILLED with the youth on the team. isiah gets props for that. but it's not like he hasn't made his fair share of mistakes. he's been mediocre so far.

come on man, use that smooth talking to lure a free agent here...and if the end result means we can't get a player b/c we don't have the dollars, THEN GET A F'N CLUE AND TRY TO GET UNDER THE CAP YOU DOLT!!!
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